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Why do we care what he says for;

There seems to be no end to the illogical faith believers like Ayers using "in the name of Jesus" to slander and demean whoever doesn't submit to their faith where doubt is only theoretically possible.

When are we going to realize;

Religion is only a superficial, primitive, and dysfunctional condition; widespread popular rejection
of supernatural beliefs is the more advanced and less pathological human state.

There is something in the mental makeup of conservative Republicans which causes them to seize on a scrap of information, dwell on it incessantly, enlarge it, and become convinced it is either the end of the world as we know it or pure evil - often both.

My oldest son breaks my heart with crap like this. From day to day he is convinced Obama is a secret Muslim, a supporter of terrorists, not a citizen of the US, and a Socialist bent on redistributing all our money. Never mind the FACTS, that Muslims are never secret about their beliefs, Bill Ayers is a little old and rusty for terrorism, the state of Hawaii certified Obama's birth certificate, and a redistribution of money in the US would only make my son's life a more comfortable one, since he has no money and others have it all. Sheesh!!!!

If Republicans spent half as much time worrying about the fact that there will soon be about half as many jobs as we have people in this country, they just might accomplish something for a change.

bwc. you don't have to care. you could understand by looking in to history, religion since the being of time, as we know it, is the foundation thread of war. unique to the human experience.

Please explain what "believers like Ayers using "in the name of Jesus" to slander and demean" has to do with the Ayers opinion piece.

I didn't find any reference to organized religion in his article--Christian or otherwise.

Just wondering.

>>Our effectiveness can be - and still is being - debated.
Ayers

No need to debate the obvious. You dumb fucks just ushered in a new police state. You handed Richard M. Nixon his infamous "Law n' Order" platform. You accomplished nothing. Notta save for justifying a militarized police force in just about every major city to fight you and your tiny army which accomplished nothing.

To prove your stupidity it required you a decade or longer to realize to change the world you change its future leaders.
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i guess "guilt by association" is in the eye of the beholder ? and it can have an obverse side as well. for as soon as i learned of Obama's connections to Ayers/Dorhn i began working for his election. i will be forever grateful for the efforts of the Weathermen for their opposition to the war in VietNam and the exposure of COINTELPRO.

i'm still wondering how a kid two years younger than Ayers, who worked in the White House in 1972/73 for John Erlichman, rose to the top ranks of Goldman Sachs (Bill Clinton's "Enron"), then became U.S. Treasury Secretary, then bullied a Democratic-controlled Congress into giving him $350Billion to spend with no strings attached?

i guess "terrorism" is in the eye of the beholder also

>>bullied a Democratic-controlled Congress into giving him $350Billion

I don't think so muleboy. I think Bush and Company pulled the wool over their eyes again. No help needed. Just as he did with all his other tricks. I think most of them are out of their league. They spent weeks crafting their version of TARP and now I learn this past week that $150 billion of the relief program has gone missing. No one knows who got it. Where's the outrage? $9 billion when missing in Iraq and people howled.

What I do see is a mammoth government out of control. In another year and half it will be a house of cards. You can only run an economy on paper and ink for just so long then it folds.
If you think the Soviet melt-down was rough wait till ours really starts.
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Trying to change a conspiracy theorist's mind with facts is futile. Blue name.

I'm outraged, elwood, so damn outraged I have to step back, turn off the news and take a sanity break. This so-called Wall Street giveaway is the stuff science fiction is made of and if I wasn't living through it I wouldn't believe it. First they scream the sky is REALLY falling so they HAD to give some bankers billions right away and on a weekend, of course. There was, of course, no time for any paper work...for ANYTHING resembling reasonable. Then Paulson tries to anoint himself an untouchable king of our money. And when one or two folk said 'What the hell?'; and how about adding one/two accounting strings and that maybe, just maybe, the folk who ran their banks into the ground shouldn't get billions in tax money for personal gain those guys said 'Hell no. If you don't give us our golden parachutes we're not going to take your money.' Then...our illustrious government folk said 'OK...take whatever you want there's plenty more where that came from. But better hurry up 'cause President Idiot only has a few weeks left.'

Now it's all about those horrid unions and there horrid demands for livable wages...for the pensions their workers were PROMISED and for all that luxurious healthcare. Americans who are bitching that other workers' wages are too much and that businesses should be let out from under those horrid contracts guaranteeing pensions/healthcare are...idiots...selfish idiots who don't understand that all workers rise or fall TOGETHER.

ANY confession, owning up, apology, whatever from Ayers will have the same affect on the wingnuts as the monumental evidence that Caribou Barbie Moosejaw is a mean, shallow, self-aggrandizing flash in the pan...
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Thanks snapback:

"You might think these rumors would have died off after Obama produced proof in June that he was, in fact, born in Hawaii to an American citizen, his mother, Ann, or after Hawaii state officials confirmed in October that he was born there. You might think the rumors would have died off after he was elected by a comfortable margin. Instead, they've intensified."

Who was it on here that kept saying Obama had no valid birth certificate? I can't recall off hand
but it kept posting the same claim over and over. Then poof. No more posts.

Shows you the power that crazies on the radio have over some peoples' minds.

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ELwood, you make an excellent point but credit the like of Ayers far to much for the police state, imo... They (the Nixon nuts) would have done it anyway. MIC alone requires it... and will never cede power without one heck of a fight... far beyond what the 60's folks tried.

The last eight years of peaceful protests.. and the last few years of overwhelming public opinion / disapproval demonstrates this quite clearly.

As for the invisible bailout money... this has been known for far longer than a week. I sincerely hope you will consider reading Ian Welsh, Stirling Newberry, and or Marcy Wheeler (aka emptywheel) at firedoglake.

I think the next theft - Paulson / congressional ploy.. is congress lumping in the big auto loans with the release of the next 350 billion in TARP bailout.

American manufacturing and 3 million jobs saved for ten percent of the next phase in the big heist.

Tell that to the dead cops that you killed in the bank robbery. I'm sure their widows would love to give you a remembrance of your good will to their husbands. I lived during that time and I am well aware of Ayers, Dorn and the other monsters. I am particularly familiar with the weathermen and know them to be hateful creatures that schemed to murder people. Some of them accidentally blew themselves making bombs that were intended to kill people. This is one babyboomer who knows better and rejects Ayers nonsense.

As someone said in an email discussion on this article this morning:

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There is no doubt than Ayers committed crimes. The question is how we view them.

Transport Mr. Ayers back to 1775, put him on a farm near Concord, and apply his principles. Then have him fire the first shot at the British. Or have him be one of the two farmers in Cambridge, who, firing at the British troops retreating back to Boston, were killed next to my barber shop on Mass. Avenue. There's a granite memorial there now, next to the parking meter.

My guess is he'd be listed in our history books as a patriot, a hero.

The distinction between moral behavior and criminal behavior when wars of occupation are at stake tends to be written by the victors. The British lost; Bush and Cheney won, and by viewing Ayers only as a criminal, we reaffirm their victory.
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Now compare that to folks like Strange, G. Gordon Liddy, or Ollie North and so on.

Now, if only someone would go after this Saul of Tarsus guy who claimed later to be St. Paul and told everyone he was speaking for the big boss man in the sky and his kid J.C. This Saul/Paul fellow was responsible for many killings, leaving behind many orphans, widows, and distraught parents because of his actions. Why should we believe anything he says because of his past actions?

Ayers, a patriot!!!!!!!! He is scum. I can not think of someone who more specifically wanted this country to be destroyed. He hates everything that this country stands for. While guys like me were putting it on the line he was trying to destroy this country. He still is unrepentant. If you hitch your political wagon to him you will alienate yourselves to the great majority of Americans.

stranglelove,

Piss on your "service" in Vietnam. You were serving Moloch, not America. I'll save my praise for the courageous sorts who resisted the draft and so often went to prison for it.They were right and you were wrong.

John A., you are at least as out of line as Strange. Right or wrong, many young men and women made the decision to serve their country, whether out of patriotism, obligation, concern for the consequences of resisting, or simply viewing it as the avenue of least resistance. I suspect all of us of a certain age know at least one or two young men who didn't make it back alive. We also probably know those who returned a changed person, some for the better, but most not.
I respect every one of those men and women for the sacrifices they made, just as I respect the choices of those who resisted, fled to Canada, or even went AWOL. The ones for whom I have very little respect are those who managed to use their money, their situations and their family's and friends' political connections to make a mockery of their service.

Dolgotta,

I could make the same justification for everyone everywhere who ever threw away his or her life for any cause whatsoever. It's a path that ends up with Ronald Reagan at Bitburg, finding something nice to say about the Waffen SS men buried there. So when stranglelove wants to use his time in the armed services as a weapon of moral destruction, I'm going to tell him to piss off and his little war too.

Most veterans comport themselves with more dignity than that, and I treat them with the respect they deserve. Same with stranglelove--actually, he gets a break, because I can't pee on him via the internet.

(Parts of "Oklahoma Crude" were shot in my hometown. I guess that movie made a lasting impact on me.)