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In-state tuition bill fails

It's up for debate in the Senate. Fox 16's David Goins is twittering the blow-by-blow. Sen. Sue Madison says families of these Arkansas high school graduates pay taxes and their kids deserve to be educated with the same charges as other Arkansas high school graduates.

Opponents: Jerry Taylor and Denny Altes. Nuff said.

Randy Laverty admitted term limits (he's done after this term) made it easier for him to support the bill. There you have the Arkansas legislature in a nutshell. Do right, maybe. But first do no harm to thyself politically.

UPDATE: The bill failed, 13-21. They have expunged the vote and could make another run at it, though it's not likely.

The honor roll of aye votes: Steve Bryles, John Paul Capps, Joyce Elliott, Gene and Jimmy Jeffress, Randy Laverty, Jim Luker, Sue Madison, Percy Malone, Mary Anne Salmon, Tracy Steele, Hank Wilkins and Ed Wilkinson. Jack Crumbly didn't vote.

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Tell Taylor none of these kids will compete with his incompetent scion for surveying business. That should eliminate half his reasons for opposition, right there.

Im emailing all 13 who voted against the will of the people and telling them to RESIGN !! now.Arkansans dont want our state to be a magnet for illegal aliens to bring their kids and get benefits that AMERICAN CITIZENS cant get (if they live outside AR.) Thank God those 21 voted the correct way. Yeah Brantley, PRINT THAT LIST ! Ill contribute to them anytime. Tell the illegals to go back to Mexico and go to college there ! Cost of living is less! If they get in line and come here legally, ILL PAY THEIR WAY TO THE FIRST HOG GAME IN F VILLE !!! Its easy Brantley...tell them to stop violating the law and they can be rewarded for their change of attitude and actions. Get a degree in Mexico and FIX YOUR COUNTRY so Americans dont have to fix your situation. With the problems we have now, its not our job to reward you once you break our laws.

One giant step for bigots and fearmongers, One major loss for Arkansas.


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I'm pleased that Gene & Jimmy Jeffress are in the aye list, on so many issues I don't agree with them. But on education, they always support access and never disappoint. Thanks guys. (slam ya' later)

If someone pays taxes, they deserve the benefit of those taxes.

To complain about illegal aliens while gladly taking their money... well, there's a word for people like that.

And that word is not "Christian."

Given a choice, I'd rather be anti-law than anti-Jesus. But that's just me.

I would like to see a full roll call of this vote. Then I'm going to go door to door and make sure my Mexican neighbors know the white people who don't want their kids to be educated. I wish I could condemn Dimmy Altes to a life of standing in blood and feathers, cutting up naked chicken for the rest of his life.

We should get Danny Curry's address so these kids with nothing to do will know where to go get them a nice TV set. T'would be nice if Arkansas was the only asshole state in the union, but there are others working just as hard to make sure there's always an uneducated lower class to keep the cops and courts busy. But it's human nature....Danny never went to school and he's just jealous of those who do. It's OK Dimmy....there will always be lunks you can hire to haul your trash. Don't dumb down the whole state just to keep yourself in business.

Why is it that crazy people have the proclivity to insert all caps into their blog posts and emails?

Some people need to turn off the Fox News which, along with some Rushmeds, might help them purge the amplified fear from their brainwashed minds.

what about the Hispanic children who were born here, Danny??? Will you be happy to treat them to a Razorback game too? I'm sure they are all quite sorry that they can't go back and do it all over again -- you know, see fit to be born in Mexico and then the sorry little infants just cant wait to get to Arkansas with their parents. Infants and toddlers, there's your immigration issues rat cheer. Toddlers in particular are liable to be real eager to pursue a career in bloody chicken guts and inhumane working conditions.

I'd rather go to mexico than to a razorback game, I can tell you that. Im afraid I might run into Danny Dimwit at Fayetteville.

where does all your HATE come from?


>>Why is it that crazy people have the proclivity to insert all caps into their blog posts<<


Significance, the eternal quest.

Danny Curry,

Any citizen of the US can get in state tuition if they have been in the state long enough. Graduating an Arkansas high school pretty much proves they met that requirement.

Are we not talking people who have lived in Arkansas long enough to qualift?

This is a legitimate question please, since I'm not very close to the illegal immigrant issue. Senator Madison says that illegal immigrants pay taxes too. My question is: what taxes does she refer to?

Sales tax, certainly... probably excise taxes on utilities as well (unless a landlord is paying the utilities.) But how does an illegal immigrant pay income tax, Medicare tax, Social Security tax without a valid Social Security number? Even the IRS computer system... not well known for it's quality... will reject a FICA payment posted in error.

So I'm trying to figure out what Madison is talking about.

Slingerland,

Believe it or not, illegals can and do file income tax forms. Why not, they don't have to report all of their income and they can receive earned income tax credits. Who would have thought that illegals could get tax credits and get huge refunds? The IRS will issue a taxpayer id and will not turn the illegal in to immigration services. Illegals want to have proof that they have been in the country so that they will be elligible when Obama grants them citizenship. One way to do so is to pay taxes on some token portion of your wages. Since many illegals are paid in cash, its simple enough to underreport income and get credit for time in the US for future citizenship.

The question is why don't we offer a visiting worker program - WITHOUT citizen benefits to all of the Mexicans who want to work here? They certainly need the jobs, and we need the workers. We need to find people to pay into social security, which is essentially bankrupt, without drawing out benefits in the future. We need illegals to pay a tax similar in size to the social security and medicare taxes without offering the benefits, since our government is broke. The Mexicans need a legal guest worker program so that they are documented, tracked, and pay their fair share of taxes. If they want to bring their kids and put them in schools, I have no problem provided they have legal status to be here and are working.

Thanks Severus... I wouldn't have believed the IRS would issue a taxpayer ID without checking the immigration status but that seems about as "brilliant" as anything else the IRS does. And you stated your views on Mexican guest workers very well, my views are similar. You're right, if they're here, they need to be paid according to the law, and pay taxes according to the law.

If I were Obama, I would be tempted to do a few things:

1) Bring home the troops and create a "wall of marines" to seal the border. Right now the border has more gaps than a pair of thigh-high fishnets. We've got to stopteh drug wars from continuing to cross the border.

2) Issue a blanket amnesty to any illegal currently in the country, provided they report to INS and start getting legal. I would provide MANDATORY English classes to those who needed them.

3) Prosecute the hell out of any employer who knowlingly hired illegals and paid under the table.

4) Embarrass Congress into FIXING our broken immigration law. The law as written now is simply stupid, but Congress doesn't have any backbone to fix it.

But that's just me (grin.)

If there's a way to avoid taxes, I want to know about it!

If the utilities and property taxes are paid by the landlord, they're in the rent paid by the tenant. As far as income tax, etc. they simply use a valid SS number.

If they're paid in cash, that's a different type of problem since it is the employer playing games with his or her own tax liabilities.

eLwood:

a theory on why those of us who appear to be ....... well, a little mentally unstable and damn sure bigoted, type in all caps:

Yeats says "The best lack all conviction, while the worst are often full of passionate intensity."

I hope that copied cause i dont want to have to type it all by myself.

I see Severus has found a way to bring back some more of that good ole separate but equal stuff. Good show! Let them in, work the fire out of them at wages you decide and then if something changes, ship their asses back so you can save lots of money. It's not slavery, but it sucks pretty bad. Do you not think Mexicans get comfortable with their life in the states? Don't you think they're kids make friends at school and church, play on sports teams, act in the class play.

The family gets used to eating at the good places and finds a good place to swim. They get hooked on Dancing with the Stars, and enjoy Saturday's polishing the car in the driveway. THEN BAM! GET YOUR BILLYGOAT SMELLING ASS OUT!

Oh yeah....it's a great deal for us whites. FK them if they don't like it. Work them but don't give them any rights for 50 years. And talk some more about those giant income tax refunds they get back.....like there is something criminal about getting an income tax refund. LISTEN to yourselves! Jesus!

Here's some biblical truth for the right wingers: Leviticus 19:33   When an alien resides with you in your land, you shall not oppress the alien. 34 The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Remembering that we are all aliens here is helpful to the discussion. In a word, that's, "thankfulness."

I think around 1620 the Native Americans were having the same discussion. "Don't help these white people survive. They'll take over the whole place!"


Slingerland---great post ! I agree with you
Hey , inch....darlin'....
I love this Blog. Inch, this is obviously the only place you can come to feel wanted with tina ,"Elmo", and whomever. You just hate this state because Arkansans are smarter than you. ..and the Dem Senators you have are not as freaky as Sanders, Kerry or that crazy Biden. Just think....alas, you could be in Mass or Mex-ifornia, where you'd "feel" so good because the illegals, whom you "feel" so good about, are wrecking the states of CA and MA. The hospitals and jails are crammed with illegals who have lied their way into this country to get freebies from someone else. Call all the names you want to. Its good to let it out. Dont keep all the frustration and hate inside. Ill be your victim. I can sacrifice ...let you have the last word, cause I "feel" your pain. There is strength in numbers so get with TINA and Slo-mo and your supporters. Have a nice nite!

Perplexed,

I am so glad that you seek answers in the Scriptures, for the point towards the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Their wisdom is from a Higher Source than men can find in themselves.

That said, one must accurately handle the Word of Truth. The meaning of the word "alien" in this passage is "invited guest". Feel free to look it up in your paper Strong's Concordance. In other places it is made even clearer, for it commands the children of Israel to be kind to aliens because THEY were aliens in the land of Egypt. They were invited guests whom their hosts later turned on and oppressed.

DBI,

I didn't realize that illegal aliens were supposed to have the same rights as legal citizens. Smart countries have immigration policies to benefit themselves. No one said that it's fair that some people lived in an inferior country with fewer opportunities.

We have skilled foreigners who go through the legal channels to gain citizenship. It is a long and arduous procedure with hefty legal fees and lots of paperwork. They are required to undergo medical exams and pass tests. It is still a privilege to earn US citizenship. Allowing illegals the same status as those following the rules is just plain stupid.

Achbani, I will gladly admit not being a Hebrew scholar myself. However, I'm not of a mind to depend on Mr. Strong. Any translator/commentator is an interpreter. I would contend that "invited guest" is a convenient parsing here. I would contend that there were a great number of aliens in ancient Israel that weren't invited guests. And then you could go round and round with the stories where God ordered the destruction of tribes that were already there, but not consistently, and the Israelites didn't consistently destroy them.

When I parse and contextualize that passage, I'm willing to err on the side of grace.

All that being said, you could also make the case that the employers that employ these people are, in effect, inviting them. If there were no work here, there would be no illegals. The lure of jobs paying more than they could begin to make in Mexico and employers willing to hire them seems to me to be an invitation in and of itself.

I apologize for believing in world citizenship and having a desire to see all humans live nice lives. I'm 100% behind any person who comes to this country to work hard and follow the laws and I don't give a damn how they got here.

I have a whole neighborhood of dark skinned neighbors who work their ass off and take good care of their family. They don't bother my lawn mower or my daughters. They're getting nothing for free. I can see them with my eyes 24-7. You see them with your imagination and I'm here to tell you....you're imagination is FK'ed. Be better people. Think of others now and then. And put yourself in their shoes for a hour.

I'd gladly trade Sev and Danny for the first 2 Mexicans I meet tomorrow. They're better Americans already.

Its so sad you have to use profanity in every post you make. You are one hate-filled guy (or girl.) Try to read the following: take a deeeeeep breath.
You are entirely correct. Entirely....on one point. I see Hispanics working every day, in North AR. They are good people, hard workers, great neighbors, friends of mine. I KNOW some are illegal. We dont discuss it. I have no need to personally do anything to them. So we....(choke, choke) agree on this. BUT you know what is coming next------->
This is a Nation, with laws, borders, needs, that dont allow for ALL the hard-workers, children, criminals, poor, ....ANYONE who wants to come here. Just as you said above, there are also good, hard working Mexicans waiting to come here, to be Americans, to learn English, and stay here whom I would select to meet and have as citizens rather than your sorry #*%!! (but I digress.) This country cant afford to hire all the people who want to get in here or to be "Uncle Sugar" for all of them. Under your logic, ANYONE who wants in here can come here, and someone has to take care of all their needs. (By the way, did you know that most Mexicans who come here HAD JOBS before they came?? )check the link here from NY Times.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9501E2DF1031F934A35751C1A9639C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all
You believe in , as you said above, "world citizenship," so you REALLY do believe in no borders, let them all in attitude. In that, you are an extremist and a distinct minority. I am a citizen of the United States. I want what is good for the neighborhood, city, state and nation. Its not good for the United States to allow people to sneak in here, (and we must shut down the magnet for them to come here) . Read what these illegals have done to Nevada
http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/nv_costs.pdf?docID=2501
So, you are seeing your neighbors work, smile, live , leave your lawnmower alone (that was weird)and you like them, so you think all of them are that way, and "how could anyone be so mean !!" You must be more intelligent, read the facts, and try to stop making the statements like illegals are "better Americans." Tell your neighbors to call their relatives in Mexico and follow the laws to get here. That concept is even right for you, a "citizen of the world", right?? You really do yourself a disservice in that stuff. So, YOU be a better American, and that way you are a "better person."
:*)

A frustrating defeat yesterday, but it's such a sweet thought to think about Randy Laverty gone from the Senate. Is Altes gone in 2012, too? Just can't understand why their neighbors would send a drunk and a zombie goon to represent them.

It's a real shame that no one helped Danny Curry get a suitable college education (or a high school, junior high, or elementary school education). He might have learned how to use paragraphs, punctuation, and reflection in place of his spittle-flecked, all caps, bizarrely punctuated, bigoted, stream of consciousness ranting.

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