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I think a little training in public relations might benefit Officer Glover.

Perhaps the police really served the public in this case, but writing emails like this will not improve the department's image nor enhance its mission. Just a thought, Officer Glover.

I support Glover. The press pounded the police over this. They have to take it, shut up, get blasted, but when the defendant gets convicted, I have no problem with the officer sending an email. The fact is was disclosed shows the discloser is a whussy. The fact Brantly prints it shows his lack of appreciation for police problems out there fighting scummy drug dealers. Im glad he sent the email to the guy who blasted him. Keep up the good work Glover !!

My, Dog Town lives up to it's reputation, eh.

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It is hypocritical for the police to say they are enforcing the law when they break or bend laws during such enforcement. To quote in a line similar to some of our esteemed wingnuts: they must be a product of the NLRSD.

And I used to take trumpet lessons in NLR on skyline drive....

Seems about time now to go around the walls 7 times cause this doesn't appear to represent the type of communication that God tried to instill in these men as wll as our laws of Justice.

Little reading assignment for you Jeff:

Dirty cop convicted in no-knock warrant death of 92-year-old woman
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Should a narcotics officer be revealing his responsibilities to the public? Just wonderin'

I skimmed David's article but may have missed something.

So, am I correct? He was not convicted of being a drug dealer, but convicted of protecting himself with his firearm in the sanctity of his own home? After being shot five times by the police? What if he had died? As it is he was severely injured and likely will not be able to get around very well after having his femur shattered. They found drug paraphernalia, but he wasn't named in the warrant? What's ethical/fair/legal about that?

The officer's fast and pointed response also seems to indicate that this was all about protecting the police after they screwed up.

A guy uses a firearm to protect himself from intruders who happen to be police who have not announced their identity and have come in without knocking.

What do all our concealed-carry advocates say about this? It seems to me that you guys should be stepping up to defend this guy for exercising his 2nd Amendment rights? Don't misunderstand me. I have a firearm and would use it in a similar scenario. I guess defending yourself gets you 18 years.

Here's another short reading assignment for you Jeff.

"No-Knock Warrant That Led to Denver Man's Death
Should Not Have Been Issued"

just click on blue name.

"...Your obvious bias about this case shows that you have no respect for authority or what it stands for. You can continue to blister the police with your keyboard, but know that if you were to need us we would certainly be there for you..."

Once again...thin-skinned police who refuse to acknowledge that much of the public's disrespect for them stems their actions. Sure, crooks don't like em, and, sure, there are a handful of people who aren't going to like em regardless. But decades of hiring unqualified bubbas who either don't understand the law or assume due process is a fiction created by the commies at the ACLU just to pick on the police have left most of us expecting the worst from our police. Their negative reputations are almost always well earned.

Jeff should engage in some honest assessing of what they did wrong, how they can do a better job next time...rather than resorting to the same ole tired blame the messenger crap. And, Jeff...even the sorriest of us has a right to due process; and even the best police officer must operate within the law and be accountable for their uh ohs. Grow up, appreciate the Constitution and treat everyone of us like you'd want your family to be treated.

I don't understand how shooting at folks who are breaking into your place makes him guilty...which is completely different from knowingly shooting at police officers. Guess the jury had a better view of the facts than me...

"Maryland Mayor Asking For Federal Civil Rights Probe Into No Knock Warrants"

Berwyn Heights, MD (AHN) - With his wife crying at his side on the lawn of their home, the mayor of Berwyn Heights, MD announced he was asking for a civil rights investigation into no knock warrants after his wife became the innocent victim of identity theft and police invaded their home on an illegal no knock warrant and killed the family dogs.

"We lost our family dogs," Calvo said, adding the police burst into his home "guns blazing."

Mayor Cheye Calvo and his wife, Trinity Tomsic, held a televised press conference Thursday afternoon.

Saying that two arrests had been made and other drugs seized, Calvo said, "It is a great relief to us to be removed from the glare of suspicion." However, that didn't change what had happened, when police illegally broke down their door and executed the family pets, Calvo said. "We were harmed by the very people who took an oath to protect us."

It's all on my blue name Officer Glover.

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YEAH BUTT!
Did this "piece of crap drug dealer" (NICE COPPER LINGO) have a concealed carry permit?
APCO! 10-96, 10-96 that's a 10-6?

Ofr Glover;

A piece of crap drug dealer DID NOT point a gun at police officers - he pointed it a PIECES OF CRAP breaking into his house. When you burst through a door, until you show your warrant, you are no different than the PIECES OS SHIT prowling the streets.

Cops killing citizens gets expensive:

"On the morning of October 2, 1992, a group of 30 law enforcement officers served a marijuana search warrant to Donald Scott at his Malibu, California ranch. While serving the warrant to Scott and his wife, Frances Plante, deputies shot Scott three times, killing him instantly. No marijuana was found on the property.

Ironically, Frances Plante told Bradbury that Scott was against all drugs and that she had never seen him use marijuana. In January 2000, Plante won a $5 million wrongful death lawsuit against the federal government and Los Angeles County."

Read it on the blue name Officer Glover.

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I had an elementary school teacher tell me once that the students she had who grew up to be cops were all bullies as children.

Like concealed weapons carriers, they're itching to use that pistol to kill.

I remember Offc. Glover from High School .

you almost have it. hes was a little guy...had the short man syndrome.

and here he is excacting his revenge on the world.

Life is too short to be reliving high school at every chance.

Let it go man, let it go.

JoJo the ones I went to high school with were the wimps. They didn't play ball nor were they
in school clubs or band. Just hung on. Never did much of anything. Back then they weren't paid very much either. I noted one the activities they enjoyed was harassing teen drivers.

The basic principle of "If you kick a door in you could get shot" keeps our crime rate and prison popluation down and our cops honest more effectively than a thousand new laws.

Nice message, Jeffy...

I guess it's acceptable for a self-described lowlife to talk smack as long as you conclude with "Respectfully." Stop insulting your intelligence and go back to watching 'Hot Fuzz' every night.

"Your obvious bias about this case shows that you have no respect for authority or what it stands for."

Anytime someone wants to throw their "authority" around and expect your respect of said assumed "authority" I get the willies. I have much more fear of Officers like this then I do of the thugs out there.

I'm getting pretty sick of the police around here who seem to think that an American citizen cannot talk back to them or yell something at them as they drive by or cuss at them.
What would the gun owners here have done if the police had broken into their home with guns and did not say who they were.

Jeff Glover needs a lesson in professionalism! He really sullied the image of the NLRPD with that email he wrote to newspaper reporter David Koon.

Regardless of the judgement against Tracy Ingle (which, I assume, he has a right to appeal...), there are a great many of us in the public who feel they would have done exactly what Ingle did if the police burst into our houses unannounced; especially, if the warrant had poor grounding (that is, we were not in a position to suspect a police raid).

And even for those who would not have reacted in this way, it is still clearly defensible for a newspaper reporter to write a story about the case, questioning the dangerous protocols that led to the shooting. No-knock raids are certainly a practice that shoot be debated in the public forum, and who's going to bring the topic to public light if not the news media?!

THANK YOU, DAVID KOON!!!

Wow!!!! Now the police are the bad guys and the drug dealers are innocent victims. I do not know all the facts in this case and can assume most of you dont either. But, I imagine ALL the facts were presented in court. Looks like John Wesley Hall represented the accused also. He is no rookie that would have missed some obvious abuse of rights that David seems to think might have happened. This felon was convicted by a jury of his peers and not one judge. Been to jury duty lately? The room is not exactly filled with radical conservatives.

If this arrest and conviction prevents one kid from being exposed to drugs, it is worth all the negative feedback that NLRPD is getting. I taught school for several years and saw first hand the damage that drugs can do to our children. It ruins futures, families, and often lives. This is a DRUG DEALER you all are supporting and it is really disturbing. I wonder if some of you would feel the same if he was supplying your son, daughter, spouse, or friend. We all have rights, but when you decide to make a career out of ruining lives of others, you forfeit them.

Some of you seem upset that Officer Glover refers to this felon as a "piece of crap". If this man is not a piece of crap, what kind of person does it take to qualify? I know that it is Davids job to stir emotions (either way) when he rights stories or editorials, but come on people use some common sense. One more time........were talking about a convicted Drug Dealer for God's sake!

"If this man is not a piece of crap, what kind of person does it take to qualify?"

Pigs who burst into a mans house unannounced and then shoot the place up when he goes for his gun, that's what I'm calling Piece of Crap.

The thing I find interesting about Jeff Glover's note is that he goes beyond discussing the verdict in this particular case to strongly express his general bias against the Arkansas Times with his "crappy periodical" comment. This in an inappropriate tone for a note from a police officer to the news media, and it implies that he is willing to abuse his authority against anyone associated with the paper.

I disagree with the Times viewpoint on many issues, and Glover has the right to disagree too, but we expect more from our public servants than the abusive tone of his note. Glover's note is a red flag warning that calls into question his judgement and fitness for duty. It looks like the stench of corruption.

"If this man is not a piece of crap, what kind of person does it take to qualify?"

Wow, did you read the articles?
Nothing violent, guy has a few DUI's...but really, "a piece of crap"?
(and if you are a follower of Jesus, no human being is a "piece of crap")
I wonder what it was that made the "jury of his peers" (made up of mostly older dudes) find him guilty. They found nothing to link him to drugs and the police broke into his home without announcing themselves.

I think this is a nice bit of food for thought from Koon's article.

"A place that cherishes both its guns and the sanctity of a man's home, Arkansas is one of many states that has enshrined some version of the Defense of Premises Doctrine in its laws. It is, simply put, the right to defend your home without fear of prosecution, up to and including killing an intruder who has made forcible entry.

It's an idea that is dangerously at odds with the concept of no-knock search warrants, says Radley Balko, senior editor of Reason magazine. A former fellow at the Cato Institute, a Washington, D.C., libertarian think tank, Balko did some of the early research into the use of no-knock warrants and militarized police units. Over and over again, Balko said, he sees cases where a SWAT team breaches a house, the homeowner exercises his right to defend his home, and either an officer or the homeowner is killed or injured. The only difference is that when it's a cop who gets shot, the private citizen nearly always winds up in jail. "

So as long as the police kill you, you won't go to jail.
Wow, that's a hell of a choice.

I've found a great time saving tool.....Danny Curry. If Danny is for it I know the correct position for me is to be against it. It is my new rule of life.....thanks Danny!

Officer Glover is a fool and if he can't be trusted with email, he shouldn't be trusted with a gun. He's another of those sore winners who were on parade for 8 years when Bush was pretending to be President. Not happy that some loser was shot 5 times AND got 18 years in prison for his trouble, Glover has to take a final dump on David Koon. This is the kind of guy that would knock a cripple down the steps when no one is looking. And what great publicity for the city of North Little Rock, a town that appears to live behind the 8 ball from where I sit and then Officer Glover gives NLR another kick in the head for good measure.

The mindset of Officer Glover and Danny Curry is what worries us adults when the subject of concealed carry permits come up. These two guys are not very smart but wound up tighter than an 8 day clock at all times....just ready to explode. Then add a gun to their lives and they start having fantasies that would scare the pants off Charles Bronson. They're too dim to understand when drug dealers have no rights....soon none of us will have any and next thing we know we'll all be pieces of crap you can shoot 5 times and get away with it.

Rational thinking is a thing of the past and as America falls apart it only makes the Glovers and the Currys meaner and more unreasonable. Officer Glover should be put back to emptying money from parking meters before an innocent person loses their life. Danny Curry should serve as an easy weather vane so adults can quickly see which way not to blow. I have dim hopes for our future.....sooner or later we'll all be pieces of crap.

Officer Glover,

I prefer you focus on giving your protection and professional services to your supporter on this thread.

As for me, you have extended and amplified my opinion of the Little Rock Police Department's ability, devotion to duty and competence to the North Little Rock Department. While I hope that you are the exception to the rule, experience in living in the Little Rock Metropolitan area for over ten years lead me to feel you are not.

That is very, very sad.

At least some of us have the dignity (and credibility) to reveal our opinions without hiding behind blog names. How courageous you are deathbyinches and others! After reading this and several other blogs, I have come to the conclussion that most on this site must have a 9mm at their bedside. Dont we all? Any normal law abiding citizen would. I think I will pay the 50 cents from now on and stick to semi respectable journalism and readers.

Wonder if Mr Glovers email was sent personally to Mr Koon? Could be an interesting case for some of you hungry attorneys out there.

At least some of us have the dignity (and credibility) to reveal our opinions without hiding behind blog names. How courageous you are deathbyinches and others! After reading this and several other blogs, I have come to the conclussion that most on this site must have a 9mm at their bedside. Dont we all? Any normal law abiding citizen would. I think I will pay the 50 cents from now on and stick to semi respectable journalism and readers.

Wonder if Mr Glovers email was sent personally to Mr Koon? Could be an interesting case for some of you hungry attorneys out there.

If an NRA membership (or the 2nd amendment) were worth the value of the piece of paper on which it is printed... they would have a special session opened up in LR right now, today.

If a man (no matter who they are) can't defend himself in the dark inside his own home against unknown threats... then all other gun rights/protections are meaningless. If we the people cannot expect a warrant... announced properly when being served... the entire system is broken.

I don't know what's worse, the fact this self defending citizen is in jail or the fact those lawless cops and the judge who covered for them are not in jail themselves.

Looks like the ACLU will have to step up for the fascist lying hypocrites at the NRA. Without honoring and defending all our rights... the 2nd means less than nothing.

Bastille Day in America just gets closer and closer.

Does Officer Glover believe that anyone NOT CONVICTED is innocent?

That would include O. J. Simpson and that Blake guy that played Barretta.

I will be looking for news reports on this maybe get some of the facts of the trial since I was not there.

I have seen jurries be wrong. Today the Innocence Project lists 235 cases where DNA evidence has freed INNOCENT people from prison, many DEATH ROW!

I have the utmost respect for Police, and personally owe a debt of graditude to Officer Lonnie Miles of the Little Rock Police Force who back in the 80's rescued me during a burglary turned armed robbery of a neighbor. Long story but Lonnie persuded and subdued the gun wielding criminal. Call me anytime, I'll tell you all about it.

That being said, society does have the right and duty to oversee those that we give the power to use deadly force to protect us.

I did read and watch the news reports at the time of this incident.

Shortly after this incident in North Little Rock there was a errant drug raid in Jacksonville where the WRONG HOUSE was invaded. Oops! Similar looking house a 1/2 block down. In that case the police appologized and repaired the damage to the house. No people hurt. But I would expect that we would all agree that when armed people, police or not, storm a house there is the potential for a mishap.

Someone bursts into my house and I don't expect a good outcome. Not because I would have my guns handy but because my dog would be going balistic and my wife would be running around screaming. She reacts loudly when startled. I could easily see the confusion contributing to someone making an incorrect split second decision.

I will reserve my judgement of Officer Glover until I have heard the Police's side of the story because the reports by AT and other news organizations back at the time did not sound as if Tracy should have been shot.

My name is Chuck Oberste, I am a 50 year resident of Little Rock. I am not hiding behind annonomous blogs as some above have charged others with.

People that use the strawman argument that blog posters with nicknames are wussies obviously are a little clueless about blogs. rightwing, leftwing and nowing blogs all use the nicknames. It is not wussy.

c peterman, if that is your real name, I guess I'm just a wuss of a woman, but I am not in the habit of telling people who I don't know who I am. In reality I am a 46 year old gal who just wants to be left the hell alone.
My name is pretty unusual so I would be easy for some nut to find and then the next thing you know my dogs are eating them up.
Why would I want to go though all that hassle?
(I've already been harressed by the good Christians in Saline county because of my obviously liberal bumper stickers)
Look what happened to Max because he posted the link to a public list of C&C permit holders....death threats to him and his wife.
I would hate for my opinions to cause my husband to lose his job....

Why would a private citizen want to engage some of the nuts out there who post on this blog?

NLR PD needs to investigate if this email was indeed sent from Mr. Glover to Mr. Coon at the AT. If it turns out that he actually did send it, he needs to, at a minimum, be forced to issue a written apology for refering to citizens who have constituional rights as "pieces of crap" and "pieces of trash" - hardly conduct becoming a public servant. The instances of police abuse and misuse of their "authority" in central Arkansas has been increasing the past few years, many of those detailed in posts above. Another example: unconstitutional 'public safety' checkpoints - what ever happened to probable cause?? Then of course there is the instance of the Stephens Media reporter Bill Lawson being abused by Trooper Tom Weindruch in an incident on 12/10/2007 (see the clicky). Not to paint with a broad brush, but unfortunately my experience with most local law inforcement is that they are defensive, arrogant, insecure, abusive of their power, and have a chip on their shoulder. I also know a few good folks who are in law enforcement for the right reasons but they do not seem to be the ones getting the attention. By the way, this is coming from a libertarian leaning conservative that happens to agree with my ACLU friends on the Left - our civil rights and constitutional rights are increasingly beinging eroded and ignored by law enforcement. It is time to stand up to tyranny before it is too late.......

I am just completely speechless at the turn of events in this situation. So what the man had DWIs? Why in the world would you bring that up in a case that had nothing to do with it in the first place. I grew up with having respect for the law and the ones who uphold the laws for us. But THIS, puts the most bitter taste in my mouth. This man, who gets shot 5 times by the so-called serve and protect members of the NLRPD, is going to jail for 18 years over WHAT? I always say there is a lack of common sense in the world and this just proves my point. What the heck did they teach these officers in training? I hope they appeal and those officers lack of training get what they deserve.. Karma is going to come around and bite them all in the butt.

And for Officer Glover, you are entitled to your thoughts and opinions. But that email is so unprofessional and just flat out cruel and cold-hearted. I wonder how you felt if someone sent you an email or letter to attack your good name and nature about how your words made them disrespect police further because of your lack of tact and professionalism? After reading that info, I just hold LRPD in much higher regard than before. Also whoever is in charge of public relations for NLRPD should be fired on the spot for something like THAT ever being let out the office.

PetermanPetermanPeterman.
As the lady said, nobody knows if that is your real name. Nobody know if this is my real name. Even my neighbors and recent friends don't know if the name I use is my real name. So, as long as people pick SOMEthing to be called on a blog, so all the "Anonymous" posters don't get confused, what damn difference does it make? There is a difference between cowardice and stupidity. And, some may believe it stupid to go 'round badmouthing cops in public. I guess you could include me in that crowd, because, as you may notice, I'm not doing that.
Now, let me say that, as far as you know, I'm not a lawbreaker. I sleep at night with a .357 just inches from my head, because that's where I keep it. Should anybody kick out my doors and windows in the middle of the night and invade my house, while I can't say for sure, my guess is that I'd reach for that pistol and do my best to put big gaping holes through those individuals as expeditiously as possible. Then, when the smoke settled and I woke up, I'd look to see who they were. Judging from this ruling, it appears that, if they turned up to be cops with a no-knock warrant, I'd be going to jail for that. If the intruders prevailed, and it was I that was carried out in a body bag, they would not be going to jail. What people are trying to say here, is that just seems wrong. I have to say that I concur with those people. If you don't, why the hell do you even have that nine by your bed?

Oh this is tooooooo easy...
Inches says------>"sooner or later we'll all be pieces of crap"....Hey...earth to inches....you there already pal...No need to hope, you there !
Hey...inch-brain. Ditto bubba. If you like it, Im sure I hate it.
and so on and so on and do-be-do-be-doooo-beee...
next time you need a police officer because someone robs you or breaks into your car in lovely "Hillcrest," call a plumber ! You have no respect for police. You love the grubby thugs that prey on people in LR. A cop makes a mistake and you want to hang him. If I knew you and I was a cop, Id never lift a finger to save your sorry butt. You call police pigs but when some bro in Hell-crest robs your wife, call Brantly to save you. Hit him over the head with your copy of the AR Slimes, why dont ya. I dont blame Glover for taking it to the writer. Its like Brantley when he useed the chicken-sh#@ effort to disclose the names of conceal-carry people in the Slimes. He whussied out because he (said) he was getting a few calls. Awwwww...Toooooo bad. Its called MEAN SPIRITED !
and you reap what you sow.....(sorry, a Biblical term that is way over the head of Inch-brain)
AMF

End the War on Drugs. Is it not the source of the no-knock warrant?

"Why would a private citizen want to engage some of the nuts out there who post on this blog?" - Any*Mouse

Why would the Arkansas Times expose private citizens' contact information from the concealed carry list to some of the nuts out there who post on this blog - or don't post?

Another relevant discussion:
http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/arkansasblog/2009/04/somethings_happening_here.aspx

Where the heck are the NRA and the gun nuts on this? Post a link to some names and addresses and they swarm on you like bees. Post an example of a citizen defending his home at night against unknown intruders and they are as silent as a church mouse.

Any one of us are a typographical error away from getting a "no-knock" warrant served on us by an over-zealous trigger-happy SWAT team.

I briefly attended a school 45 minutes from where this occured the nerds eventually went to UAMS and became nurses and MD's the preps all went to UCA or Fayetville and most of the jocks joined either the National Guard or the Marines. But those who were picked on and bullied mercilessly through out school became Police Officers later on 3 even became detention deputies in the county jail, and guess who the first people that they got revenge on were after they graduated ALETA? Those who bullied them during Highschool they constantly harassed them every chance that they got and even though they had to have PC to conduct a traffic stop on these individuals , they purposely found a reason to do it any way woe to any one they caught with a cooler of beer!!! I say all that to say this a majority of cops were loners in high school and the only reason they chose law enforcement over a life of being a cable repair man was that they wanted revenge against all real or perceived bullies. I respect all Police Officers that are professional and don't have any alterior motives for being a cop.

Why would the Arkansas Times expose private citizens' contact information from the concealed carry list to some of the nuts out there who post on this blog - or don't post?

Another relevant discussion:
http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/arkansasblog/2009/04/somethings_happening_here.aspx

Posted by: Kesandra

They are not private once they volunteered and purchased a public carry permit... nor should they be. And it's really not at all germane to the subject.. except the fact your argument weakens further as you show no outrage at what happened to a citizen in his own dark bedroom in the middle of the night...who is now in prison for the crime? of defending himself!

I would really like to understand how folks like yourself who remain outraged over the old story...simply do not find this story the least bit disturbing. Y'all seem to want police to just break into anyones home, shoot suspects at will..and hope judges and juries will champion them.

As Ole Red suggested above.. I will take it a step further, whether you are Green, Republican, Democrat, Socialist or Libertarian... these civil liberty related issues should bind most of us. seriously, unless you are fascist authoritarian or rabidly anti any guns.. I don't get it. And even the rabidly anti gun folks should agree on the need for warrants properly served on all citizens.

"Why would the Arkansas Times expose private citizens' contact information from the concealed carry list to some of the nuts out there who post on this blog - or don't post?"

Public information.
Already online.
I agree that their address should not be part of public record, but it is public information, not something private.

I would write a longer post but I'm busy searching through the database of concealed carry permits to see if there is a c peterman and a Kesandra Hooperdink.

And Danny, I know it's foolish to try to teach you something, but I'm not interested in hanging cops, but NLR needs a black ops cop like they need another Salty Parrot. And a gun-ho cop dumb enough to send insulting email....Office Glover has too much Danny Curry/LargeAss in his blood.

And what about the victim shot 5 times and now facing 18 years in prison for a "cop's mistake' as you put it....whose getting hung here? Paranoid haters will be the end of us all, in and out of uniform. Another suggestion, if Max's rag is just too too raggy....why read it? Why post on this blog? Find a nice Mexican-hating-gay-hating-Jesus-loving blog to hang out on.....there are millions of them. Hope you enjoyed your tea yesterday!

Peterman - If you send an email to a journalist, I'd say you could expect that it has the possibility of being published.

Regardless, seeing that he was sending it in his official capacity as an officer, (and it didn't involve a pending investigation) it would likely be subject to FOI anyway.

Inchy---you are the biggest hater of alllllllll time. You hate more than anyone I know. and you know it.
I enjoy the Arkansas Slimes. Excellent restaurant reviews. ......UMMMMMMM-----Lousy editorial commentary...excellent restaurant reviews.
I will continue to attempt to educate you inchy. I cant leave this blog. You wouldnt have D Boy to kick around anymore. And I feel like I give some comic relief to your otherwise conservative-hating existence. Lowers your blood pressure knowing D Boy is here to love you regardless of your bro-loving-LGBT-kissin-tax-assessing-America-hating -police-dispising------self.
You obviously didnt read the article about the conviction...a jury convicted the scum of operating a drug house and drug paraphernalia. They were selling drugs out of there. I know you could care less. BUT it was a felony !! No knock warrants are issued when there is real danger to the cops based on prior info, and THE JUDGE AUTHORIZES IT....the police didnt dom it on their own!!!....did you see that inchy??? the judge authorized the no knock !!! warrant. So, why dont you educate your pittiful self...you doofus.

Glover is "prime" example of North Little Rock police. Officers with integrity and morals leave North Little Rock and never go back.

What happened to Tracy will happen again it is just a matter of time and next time it won't be someone the police and prosecutors will be able to "sweep" under the rug.

Wow. You just wished that North Little Rock police officers would get shot and die. Yeah, you're a stand up guy. Ever wonder why cops seems so jaded? It's because people like you want them dead -- for no other reason than the work they do.

D dawg is on the loose...full of love...looking for K-Y.

I never thought name-calling was the best way to win a debate. I'm still convinced that it's a loser's way. Especially after reading some of the posts on this thread.

Ouch...me thinks DBI hit a Danny nerve...or two. Next he'll morph into fat ass.

'Most' of our right-wingers remind me of 'most' of those FOX tea tossers yesterday...screaming about EVERYTHING related to Obama's spending yet Dubya gave us the biggest deficit ever and made the federal government the biggest ever. The BIGGEST bunch of hypocrites EVER!

It's more than ironic that those who scream the loudest about using guns for self-defense
are those who say that you have no right to defend yourself from someone kicking your
door down in the middle of the night.

Those who scream the loudest about limiting government are those who would give the police
life and death power over every citizen.

Those who scream the loudest about liberty are those who expect us to get on our knees before
anyone wearing a uniform.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Conservative.

While this is an open forum for people to express their views and opinion on various matters, and I wholeheartedly respect the rights of everyone to make that expression, I believe the comment by angelinblue wishing and hoping that a law enforcement officer would some day be shoot and killed is way out of bounds and stretches my respect to that person's freedom of speech rights.

Many have called the NLR police officer Glover unprofessional for the tone of the email he sent to the reporter. If in fact he did write the email I would have to agree with that assessment and while we may never hear I feel reasonably sure his superiors will insure he never writes something of that nature again. Many are demanding professionalism from Officer Glover in his work, his writings and his actions.. Let us not demand it of someone else and not be willing to give it ourselves.

"Many are demanding professionalism from Officer Glover in his work, his writings and his actions.. Let us not demand it of someone else and not be willing to give it ourselves."

You talking to Danny?

>>The jury, 2 females, one black & one white, 2 40ish white men, and 8 white over 65 yr old men, deliberated for only 45 minutes.<<

Yeah. Real "jury of his peers" huh Officer Glover.

You know any more jokes?

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I have never heard such ignorant people in my life! How so many people can comment on something that they do not have all the facts on just blows me away. My father was a police officer for over 20 years and put his life on the line for "Pieces of crap" like you people every day and for what? For anyone to have something bad to say about someone that is protecting you is beyond me! I hope Mr. Koon will take Mr. Ingle a pack of cigarettes on visiting day. Did he visit him everyday in the hospital? Did he print another article of the updated court result? If you are going to trash talk someone atleast follow it up! And another thing to ponder on.....Our tax dollars will be taking care of this man while he gets 3 meals a day.

Vince VEGA is that your stage name at the GAY BAR? Anything more precious?

Officer Glover's response sounds like possibly they were really sweatin' this trial. The response seems over the top if this is really just a run of the mill "piece of crap".

My impression of the email, if authenic is that Glover was afraid of getting in trouble for something he did. The guilty verdict doesn't seem to have been expected.

Anyway, if this turns out not to have been a NLR PD officer named Glover that sent the email, then this story will surely continue.

One more thing to mull over for you clowns......think about this: What if you were at your job and someone came in and put a gun in your face....what would you do? These police officers face this every time they come on duty. Why don't some of you concerned citizens drive by some of the projects in NLR or better yet why don't you walk down the street over around 18th street some Friday night. How do you feel now. I know for a fact that Chief Bradley of the North Little Rock Police Department runs a tight ship and would never allow any of his police officers to do anything illegal. Why don't you take a step further....why don't you sign up and do a ride along with some of our fine NLR police officers one friday night! Where you at David Koon? Would your following be so supportive if they knew where your wife worked? Don't JUDGE!

DAVID KOON SAYS: For the record, my wife works as a Victim Witness Coordinator at the Pulaski County Prosecuting Attorney's Office.

elWood.....So now it's the jury's fault. Everyone's fault but the scumbag? Like I said, "
TAKE HIM SOME SMOKES!!!!!'" And why is it that the jury was comprised of these people? If you are saying that there were not enough African Americans...why is that exactly. Maybe you should be asking them that. I think jurors are picked from voter registration. Maybe you should be out there trying to get more of his peers registered. Oh...but you can't vote if your a convicted felon.

Ok I just have to give my opinion. I know you all have the right to state yours, not matter how twisted and wrong they are. So, did anyone know that Mr. Ingle admitted under oath that he did know that it was the police at his door that night? And, the jury WAS of his peers. Mr. Ingle is a 40ish white man. The police have a job to do keeping our neighborhoods safe. Do any of you realize how hard that is to do without a city jail? Neither Little Rock or North Little Rock have their own jails. Mr. Glover and many other officers probably feel the frustration of repeated arrests where the crimimals are out on the streets again before they have finished the paper work. This tabloid continually writes biased articles and half truths and now at least they have the facts on one story. I usually don't even associate with anyone who reads that stuff, but I heard about this one from, what else, an anonymous source. That is how you guys roll, huh?

I wonder if Angelinblue will call 911 when a crack head is breaking into his house. Your obviously a felon or on the wrong side of the law. My father was a CID officer before retiring and headed up the narcotics division at the police department he was with and dealt with some real winners. I commend Officer Glover for his service and all I can say is that you people that want to trash the police officers for doing their job need to read the transcripts from court. I wonder why the police were at that house in the first place. Just for fun? You need to learn the law and how things work before making your comments. It is my understanding from living with a police officer most of my life, that there has to be probable cause and a judge signs the search warrant. Does the police come into your job and tell you how to do it. They go through extensive training and know what they are doing! Check into your facts before speaking Angelinblue!!!!!!!

MAK, you can change your name (Goldie) but the CRAP you spew...is still the same.

Can I interject a few FACTS into this? I mean, really, are FACTS allowed here? Let's first remember that when this article was first written, Mr. Koon admitted that he could not get any FACTS from the NLRPD because of the ongoing investigation. Instead of waiting to learn the facts, he instead wrote an article based nearly entirely on statements from Tracy's sister, who admittedly was not there nor had been there in a long time. I guess she just "knows" the truth. Now that all of the FACTS have been disclosed and are public information (but obviously not important to some), lets look at them.
FACT 1:
A no knock warrant is not a "run in shooting and ask questions later" warrant. It merely states that officers are not required to knock/announce their presence, then wait for a period BEFORE making entry. They are still required to announce their presence immediately upon making entry, which was done in this case. Tracy Ingle himself, in the original article, admitted that he saw, heard, and recognized the people to be police.
FACT 2:
In the original article, Tracy stated that when he saw the officers, he put his gun down, but they "shot him anyway." Forensic EXPERTS from the state crime lab testified that one of the officers bullets struck the end of the barrell of Tracy's gun, even sending some lead down the barrell. This proves beyond a doubt that when the officer fired, Tracy was POINTING HIS GUN AT THE OFFICER. Hmmmmm....I wonder why he would lie about that?
FACT 3:
Several people have stated that no drugs were found. Granted, a kilo of meth was not gift-wrapped and sitting on his lap. However, how do you explain the white powder (which again, when analyzed by FORENSIC EXPERTS, was determined to be methamphetamine) all over the scales. What about the methamphetamine that had already been purchased from the residence? The only reason that evidence was not used against him is that it would require the identity of the informant to be disclosed to Tracy and any other drug dealer that cares to look at it. The only "mistake" made by officers was that they didn't run the warrant before all of the drugs were sold.
FACT 4:
This "unreliable informant" provided extremely accurate details of the residence, the drug operation, and even the gun that eventully was in the hands of Tracy Ingle. Imagine that, person who bought drugs from Tracy's house also described down to minute details about the gun (even how the magazine had to be held in place because the catch was broken), but Tracy supposedly had no idea there were drugs in HIS house.
FACT 5:
In regard to the personal attacks on Investigator Glover, he is not on the SWAT Team. He had absolutely no part in shooting Tracy. He led the investigation that included buying drugs from Tracy's house and obtaining a search warrant from a judge. In response to "Vincent VEGA," even if Glover were not over 6 feet tall (which he is), I wonder why you think he has "short man syndrome" and "excacting" (I assume you meant exacting) revenge on the world? If you would stop long enough to check FACTS you could learn that Glover has been an officer for 19 years, and has never fired his gun at anyone. Kind of takes the air out of your theory.
FACT 6:
The cases mentioned where police departments screwed up (Denver, Jacksonville, Maryland, LA County) have one major thing in common: THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NORTH LITTLE ROCK POLICE DEPARTMENT. I could cite numerous examples of Drug Dealers who knowingly grabbed guns and shot at police officers, but that is not what makes Tracy Ingle GUILTY! The FACTS in this case, and nothing more, are what pertains in this case. The NLRPD SWAT Team has been involved in hundreds of search warrants over the years, and this was the first time in 17 YEARS that the SWAT Team has shot someone during a warrant. The last time it happened, again it was when the drug dealer decided that he would rather take his chances with a gun than be arrested.

It is interesting that so many people get upset that Investigator Glover, in a personal e-mail that was made public by the recipient, called a drug dealer convicted of aggravated assault a "piece of crap," but when "Angel in blue" wishes for police officers to be killed, not many people seem to mind. At least with all of his supporters, Tracy might have plenty of company during visiting hours over the next 18 years.

Man, this thread is bringing out the lurkers for sure. Keep with the name calling as it always loses out in the end.

No one really advocates the killing of law enforcement. Anymore than we advocate the abuse of authority by the same.

"Do the Dew" YOU THE MAN!!!!!! As for you VINCE VEGA...... I knew YOU in high school and you seem to have the "Am I a BOY OR A GIRL syndrome". You were 4'2 and wore girly hot pants! Do you and David Koon have children together? and is his wife supporting both of you?

Dear David: Read your latest article in Teen Vogue and/or Dynamite magazine...... You rock! A Pulitzer is surely yours! Keep up the great work.

First, I see people saying oh so he had a DUI in the past so what? So what? Tell that to all the family members of people that were killed and/or injured by a drunk driver. You seem to think everything this man did was so minor.
Law enforcement is a very dangerous job. People that are haters on the police have a very good reason for doing so, they are doing something wrong. They think their wrong is not wrong enough and the law should "Focus" on more important criminals.
Anybody breaking the law is a criminal no matter how big or small. Just like the bible says Sin is sin. Before we start pointing fingers and laying blame, we should have all the facts.
If you don't like the law then next time you need help call a drug dealer, or someone thats got a DUI record, or maybe a child molestor maybe then you'd feel safe.
North Little Rock Police, Officer Glover and Swat keep up the great work! If it means hearing rude comments look at it this way, just consider the source. If you weren't doing your job then they wouldn't have anything to say! I'm sure they'll read my comments and correct all my misspellings, so what! HA HA

Has this subject lost its mojo? Crack Heads must be asleep. I personally don't have an opinion one way or the other about the NLRPD but Mr. Glover has been putting up with these types of people for long enough. I agree that his email should not have been posted since it was sent to Mr. Koon personally. Mr. Koon obviously disrespects authority but after reading most of these post I understand why. Mr. Koon should step up and try to get a job with a real rag or E Entertainment. Get a LIFE and obey the law

Right on Officer Glover. I can't believe Koon would even publish your email that you wrote to him. I was in the back of the courtroom during the trial, and I heard the recorded statement of Ingle telling the Detective that he knew it was the police because of the flash lights and heard police being yelled. So why are some many blaming the police for doing their job. Let me ask you a question if someone was selling drugs across the street from your house would you not want the police to come handle this situation so that your family doesn't get hurt/killed??? We that is exactly what the police did. The police said they purchased narcotics from inside the house, and then used this probable cause to obtain a search warrant to arrest the bad guys for selling the narcotics. Now they are the bad guys. I don't get it. What are the police supposed to do, just let people sell narcotics, and then turn their heads? I tell you what Koon is unbelievable in writing this article. I suppose he would want someone selling narcotics across the street from his home, and keep him up all hours of the night, and the police aren't supposed to do anything. Unbelievable. Officer Glover, and any officers that may be reading this, please keep up the good work, and stay safe.

Why has it not occurred to some nitwits around here, including Jeff Glover himself, that the Glover missive to David Koon is just a tad unprofessional? Seems to me that the lack of professionalism Glover exhibited with his little e-mail reflects poorly on him, his department and police in general. If Glover is any indication of the caliber of people who wear the badge . . . well, I for one am not reassured.

You are so right, Doigotta. After David Koon publicy berated not only the NLRPD but police officers everywhere while investigator Glover was forced to keep silent until after the trial, HOW DARE he respond with a personal e-mail (IN PRIVATE) to Mr. Koon? Is that how it is? Just because he is a police officer he loses his right to an opinion (a much more well-informed opinion than yours, I might add) and the right to voice it? Glover did not make that e-mail public. It shows what kind of a man Koon is by the fact that he chose to put it on the website. He can sit at his computer day after day and say whatever he wants, but when he gets a personal response he runs crying to show it to everyone. "Look what the mean policeman said to me, mommy." Boo-hoo. He could have said much worse, and showed much more restraint and professionalism than most of you could have (as evidenced by much of the insane rantings above). Over the past year, Koon and others have been spreading lies and preaching their version as truth, while the officers have been criticized. They have known the truth from the beginning, but have stood quietly and endured countless amounts of ridicule from idiots that would rather spew cop-hating rhetoric than learn the truth. Now that the truth is out in the open, you don't want to see it. Look back to the first paragraph on this page. Even though Tracy Ingle admitted in court that he knew they were police officers, it says "what he thought were unlawful intruders." All of you disregard any facts that don't fit your warped minds.
Now, to clarify for those of you that seemed angry about the inclusion of the DWI convictions: his prior criminal history was only disclosed AFTER he was found guilty. It is not allowed to be factored in before to determine guilt, but just for sentencing. I really doubt that had any impact on sentencing, but any criminal history is always disclosed at that point in a jury trial.
And sure, Tracy has the right to appeal, but what is he going to appeal? Look at the court documents. He ADMITTED UNDER OATH that he knew the men outside were police. He admitted in a recorded statement that he had earlier been using methamphetamine. It was proven that he was pointing the gun at the officers. His attorney was John Wesley Hall, who has a good reputation for exploiting any weakness in a case and having his clients aquitted. He had nothing. All Hall could do was try to go behind the prosecutor's back and attempt to have all of the evidence thrown out 1 day before the trial (which of course was denied, because contrary to many of your accusations, the search warrant was obtained properly, it was served properly and legally, and the evidence was collected & handled properly).
It appears that Tracy "doesn't have a leg to stand on."
That's right, I said it, and now I'm laughing. Hard.

My momma always told me to be careful about what I put into writing. She didn't put it quite this way, but you can always deny you said something. Once its in print, however, it's hard to refute. That rule proves twice as true when what you're writing is e-mailed to a reporter. So, whoever wrote the e-mail to David Koon -- Jeff Glover or not -- really and truly should have expected it to be distributed...

Of course, the most telling thing about this entire thread... And the one thing that has caused me to question the sanity of many of the posters to this blog... Is that so many of you seem to love the world. You want fewer guns. You want less poverty. You want equal rights for everyone. And yet, a person comes here and posts that he wants North Little Rock police officers to DIE and I don't read a PEEP from any of the regulars in protest.

Some liberals you are.

I'm always amazed and enlightened when the 'thin-blue-line' crowd gets aroused.
Now I'm off to watch re-runs of Hill Street Blues, The Shield, Law and Order and Reno 911.
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I just think it's interesting that the Arkansas Times didn't bother to show up for the trial. What kind of journalism is that when you don't take the opportunity to hear the facts?

ARK. BLOG: Our small staff had a conflict. We hoped to be there on the second day of the trial, but it finished in one. That said, the facts varied little from what we'd reported. (The reporter who was there misreported evidence about drugs found in the home. There wasn't a "vial" of drugs. There was a vial used to present evidence of a straw that had residue of a drug. The prosecutor told me directly there was no usable drug found in the home.)

The essential facts were unchanged from our article. Ingle thought there was a break-in. He picked up a gun. He fairly quickly realized they were cops. He didn't fire. Cops saw the gun. They fired, a defensible action in the circumstances.

The issue never was so much about what happened once the cops were inside, but the justification for the no-knock search in the first place. The informant, who clearly was wrong or misleading on several key issues, didn't testify. Did he pick up a gun? Were there traces of drugs in the house? Yes and yes. We never said otherwise.

The cops' willignness to give a probationary plea deal tells me plenty about how dangerous a criminal he was believed to be. DWIs were his worst priors. (There is some sentiment, apparently, for summary shootings of "piece of crap" meth heads, but I'll assume that's a minority opinion on the force.) A woman who once lived in the house -- and who was indicted on federal charges -- apparently was the true bad actor. Ingle, mostly a sadsack doper. Bigtime drug peddler? Little evidence of that was presented.

The depth of his craftiness was amply illustrated by his refusal of the plea bargain.

Excuse me? Referring to your statement above: "Were there traces of drugs in the house? Yes. We never reported otherwise." Once again, YOU LIE!!!

(ARk. BLOG: IWe reported the finding of the scale in the house. It later yielded up a minute amount of drugs. Other tiny residue was found, not in the house, the prosecutor told me yesterday, but a vehicle search not reflected in the warrant return which was notably sketchy in information. the warrant itself couldn't decide what type of drug was being sought and was deficient in other wasy. The key point remains. We made clear from the outset that Tracy INgle was no choirboy. It surprises me not at all that he's a drug user. But do SWAT teams do no-knock raids on the homes of drug users with no previous felony drug records? That's the point, one the police have never addressed. Now back to you)

Allow me to quote your original article, dated April 24, 2008, that I am at this moment holding in my hands. "No suspected drugs or drug residue were recovered from the residence." So, you never reported that there were no traces of drugs found? Right. And please enlighten us to these "key issues" that the informant was "wrong or misleading on." The informant bought methamphetamine from the residence in December, and described the gun exactly. What else was there? Surely you are not suggesting that that the informant misled anyone because no significant amount of drugs were found a few weeks later. Surely even a complete idiot could figure out that eventually a drug dealer will sell or use all of his drugs. It appears that the warrant was served before they re-stocked, because there is more than enough evidence to show that there had been drugs present.
As to Ms. Forrester's latest "revelation" of things only she "knows," where exactly was this "mystery witness" on that night? Where did you get this information that the witness was threatend by the NLR Police Department? And why is it over a year later before you present this "evidence." Obviously, my first posting did not contain enough FACTS, so let's look at some more. The original article says, "As it happened, Ingle was home alone on the night of Jan. 7." According to records, there were more than 20 members of the NLRPD there that night, including Chief Danny Bradley at one point. Not one of them has said that anyone but Tracy was there that night. Tracy himself has said that he was there alone. How is it that you Ms. Forrester, while you were nowhere in the vicinity that night, can say that there was another person that witnessed it? Are you implying that someone from across the street could see through the darkness, past the "sheet covering the window," through the dark room, and in a brief second determine that the handgun was NOT in the hands of Tracy Ingle? It is beyond absurd to expect anyone to believe that ridiculus theory. And on top of all that, you say this witness was threatened by the police department? Not just one or two officers that maybe you could try to explain away as being "dirty," but do you expect us to believe that this entire group of officers, including the chief, is so corrupt that this could happen and not one of them would tell the truth? Sure, it makes much more sense to believe the words of your "innocent" brother, the admitted meth user and now convicted felon. The reasonable explanation for this "witness" not coming forward again is that it was either a fabricated person to begin with, or a real person with a fabricated story.
I love how everything Tracy did wrong is somehow explained away. The drug dealing from HIS house must have been one of his friends that he was just being nice to; the stolen Ford Mustang he was arrested for possessing (discussed in the original article) was just a friend's that he was working on; and, according to the original article, you say the scales and baggies supposedly belonged to you, Ms. Forrester (by the way, does that mean the meth and cocaine residue all over it was ALSO yours?)
Ms. Forrester, you say that all you want "is for the 'truth' the real truth to come out." I have news for you. The real truth is staring you in the face, and you are either too ignorant or proud to accept it. I understand that you don't want to except the fact that your brother did anything wrong. I want to believe the best of my brothers as well, and would surely give them the benefit of the doubt in most cases. But eventually, you are going to have to realize, just as the jury did, that he is GUILTY beyond a reasonable doubt.
Why is it that you feel like you need "the national publicity it takes to get all of the real evidence, proof, and details out there?" Why don't you start by telling US this so-called "real evidence, proof, and details?" And you won't "waste time defending line by line comments, allegations, and 'heinous mistruths'" because YOU CAN'T. It has taken you over a year to come up with some of these "facts" that contradict all of the hard evidence. It woud take a lot of time to make up enough lies, and keep them straight, to even begin to convince the most gullible person that you know anything about the "truth." I guess since he is your brother, we are supposed to believe that you have some special insight into the FACTS that we don't have. My favorite line of yours is "Fascinating how I have been made to look like some type of crazy person in all of this." Ms. Forrester, it is YOU who made yourself look like a crazy person, by spouting all of this unsubstantiated nonsense and expecting sane people to believe it.

To answer your question, let me again quote YOUR ARTICLE. Page 11, 2nd paragraph on the left hand side of the page: "...even he admits led to a lot of shady characters hanging around the house....there were five full-time roommates living in the house, including a cousin who had recently gotten out of jail after serving time for MAKING METH (previous felony drug record). Just because the primary resident (Tracy) did not have a prior felony conviction doesn't mean no one else is looked at. Also on page 10, toward the end of the 2nd paragraph: "...he had several roommates, many of whom had had recent run-ins with the law." It doesn't say whether or not these were felonies, but given the associations, I would assume that some probably were. However, this really doesn't make a difference in the process of obtaining a no-knock warrant. What matters is if there is a substantial danger to officers. Hmmm....maybe like if the informant saw weapons present during the drug deal. Hmmm....or maybe a pit bull (which drug dealers often use as attack dogs when threatened). The FACT remains: SWAT Teams do no-knock raids when a judge, after reviewing evidence put before him, decides that there is a sufficient threat to officers and authorizes the no-knock.
To address the other matter, the reason you only saw that a scale was taken (and not a scale with drug residue), is that (again according to your article-page 10, paragraph 4) you only looked on the "evidence list" left at the house. This is not an evidence list. According to law, when a search warrant is served, officers must leave a list of property taken from the residence. That list you saw was a list letting Tracy know which items of his property were seized (the scale being one). The officers are not required to go into detail about powder residue on the scale or anything like that. Instead of waiting to see the actual evidence list (which I'm sure showed the residue since it was obviously sent to the crime lab), you rushed to a hasty judgement and started claiming "facts" that weren't accurate.
It's funny that that is exactly what you are accusing the officers of doing in this case.

ARK. BLOG: Lot of assumptions there. You still want us to believe any suspicion of drug-dealing leads to no-knock SWAT raids. Bad intelligence here, obviously. Drug residue does not a major case make. An announced search would have been uneventful and produced no arrest. The no-knock nearly killed a man with an inoperable weapon and put him away for years for microscopic evidence of drug use. Great work.

By the way, I have talked to several of the officers that were on the SWAT Entry Team that night. They told me of numerous (over 10) old bullet holes around the front door that appeared to have been fired from the inside. This is in no way accusing Tracy of firing at the officers, since they assured me that it did not happen. However, it does show that there had been shots fired before in that house, presumably toward someone or something at the front door. I don't know if the informant had provided information regarding this, but if so, that's even more of a reason for a no-knock warrant. I have a hard time believing that you didn't see those bullett holes, since from the pictures in the original article it is obvious that you went into the residence.
And since I doubt I will get a response from Ms. Forrester, could you enlighten us all on this mystery witness? One thing I didn't mention before: If you look at the picture of Tracy's window (where the shots were fired) at the top right hand corner of page 11 of your article, it is obvious that with 2 grown men standing in front of the window, it would be impossible for anyone else on the outside to see inside past them. It's even hard to imagine how both officers managed to fit in front of that tiny window. So unless the "witness" was inside (which he obviously wasn't), how could he have seen anything? Unless....(gasp)...there is actually no mystery witness and it was just another lie.

First off officer dew your talking about the wrong window. second, I know exactly who you are and you hang yourself a little more with every post you make. It is killing you that you do not know who the witness is, that witness is his only chance to ever prove what really happen.....btw...you and I both know there were never two grown men outside the house at any window. There was only one and he and I both know there was no sheet up over the 38x48 window. It was a sheer, the lights were on and Mr. Ingle was clearly asleep. You want to keep talking trash, be my guest...I welcome it.

WOW!
JEEZ!
HOLY COW!
Uh Hmmmm... Coppers get a bad reputation because????

Well, "gotsix," I guess that you and Ms. Forrester both have had the same "divine revelation," since you both claim to "know" things that nobody else does. Absolutely no one, until now, has claimed there were not two officers in the window. Even Tracy Ingle himself said there were. Are you saying that Tracy was lying when he said he saw "OFFICERS," not an officer, outside of his window? (Page 12, middle column, paragraph 2 of the original article.) And if there were not two officers in the window, how did they both shoot him? Seriously, you should think these idiotic claims through before you make them.
As to your claim that Tracy was sleeping: Are you saying that a sleeping man, who admittedly had taken methamphetamine earlier, could be awakened by the sound of breaking glass, orient himself to situation, pick up a gun (which by ALL accounts-even Tracy's-was broken and had to have the magazine held in by the off hand, therefore requiring the use of both hands to pick it up), sit up and point the gun, assess the situation and determine that they were police, then put the gun down, all before two alert, highly trained officers already holding guns could pull the trigger? That argument is ABSURD! Now you say that the officers could see him BEFORE they pulled back the sheet, giving them even more advance notice on his actions, but he still did all of that before they could react. Even if your ridiculous statement were correct, if they waited that long to shoot him it doesn't sound much like the "over-zealous, trigger-happy SWAT Team that "Sailing" tried to label them as.
As to the "sheet covering the window," that also was an actual quote from Mr. Koon's original article (Paragraph 3 just below the above reference). As to it being the "wrong window," again this is the window that the article claimed the police used. If you look at the picture you can see that the window is broken out, and there is a bed in view. There have been no claims that any other window was broken out, so it certainly appears that it IS the right window. Could you please provide some justification for why I'm "wrong" other than the third-grade "no it's not"?
Now, it is not "killing me that I do not know who this witness is" because I know that there is not one. I was sarcastically asking for "evidence" for her claim so that everyone could see how ridiculous that claim actually was. You also obviously have no resource but misdirection and more lies to refute my previous evidence regarding this.
You say that you know who I am and that I'm a police officer. According to Ms. Forrester (and I assume you too) the police know who this "witness" is, and have threatened him. So if I truly were a police officer and this "witness" were real, wouldn't I know who he was already? See, it's hard keeping all of those lies straight, isn't it?
And if presenting FACTS and telling the TRUTH is "hanging myself," by all means build the gallows and string up the noose, because I'll keep pulling the lever.

I look forward to reading what other unsubstantiated nonsense you will concoct in another pitiful attempt to deceive everyone about the TRUE FACTS.

To the ARK. BLOG: Regarding your comment: "You still want us to believe any suspicion of drug-dealing leads to no-knock SWAT raids." Did you not even READ my explanation of how a no-knock warrant is obtained? Knock and announce drug raids are conducted all of the time in North Little Rock. As I tried to explain before, DRUGS are not the reason for the no-knock.

As for your accusation that I'M making assumptions: You wrote "An announced search would have been uneventful and produced no arrest." Is that not an assumption? An announced search could have given Tracy Ingle time to barricade himself and endanger the officers' lives even further. And would he not still be arrested for the drug paraphernalia?

Now for your best quote: "The no-knock nearly killed a man with an inoperable weapon and put him away for years for microscopic evidence of drug use. Great work."
First of all, the FORENSIC EXPERT that tested the gun said that it WAS operational. Just because the magazine wouldn't stay in without assistance doesn't mean it wouldn't shoot. It was loaded, with a round in the chamber. If you will read the article on page 2B of the AR Dem. Gaz. from Thursday, April 16, 2009, it has the expert's testimony regarding this. Second, even if it was inoperable, should the officers have waited until he fired at them before defending a threat to their own lives?
And the majority of the sentence was for AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, not "microscopic evidence of drug use." Good job on trying to cloud the issue, though.

As I see it there shouldn't even BE a "War on Drugs" going on. This man shouldn't have gotten anything for protecting himself.

It's too bad that the cops in dogtown have absolutely no respect for the 4th amendment, but not really that surprising. It's sad that Judge Morely and his peers, who should know better, routinely trample on the 4th amendment too. It's ridiculous that the NLRPD has a SWAT team, but these are the same clowns who just spent $300,000.00 for a remote control helicopter with a wireless camera. What a joke.