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Vance Trial: UPDATE

There are horrors in this world, and one of them was sitting in a clean, well-lit courtroom, listening to a veteran emergency room doctor and a sexual assault examination nurse describe the injuries of KATV anchorwoman Anne Pressly.

WARNING: GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS TO FOLLOW

Earlier, Anne's mother, Patti Cannady, had described how she found her daughter in her rented house on Club Road in the early morning hours of October 20, 2008, lying in a fetal position on a bed soaked with her own blood. Cannady teared up at least once as she told how she tried to stop her only daughter's bleeding with towels retrieved from the bathroom -- how, when she looked up to pray as EMT's worked to save Anne's life, she saw that the attack had been so brutal that it left flecks of blood on the ceiling.

St. Vincent Infirmary ER doctor Theresa McBride and Carla Jackson, a Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner, took the description of Pressly's injuries where a mother's mind would not allow itself to tread, and their account was -- in a word --  horrific.

Jackson, who examined Pressly for signs of rape as doctors worked to stabilize her, testified that Pressly's face and scalp bore signs of "massive trauma." Jackson said that there was a half-centimeter tear to the skin between Pressly's vagina and anus, which she said can be indicitive that a forcible rape has occurred.

McBride, an emergency room physician who has taught emergency medicine at UAMS, said that she was surprised that Pressly even made it to the hospital. When she first saw her, McBride said, Pressly was, "laying in a pool of blood on the gurney... She did not have a recognizable human face."

McBride testified that when she tried to put a tube down Pressly's throat to help her breathe, she found that the bones in Pressly's face were so shattered that they moved under the skin. Pressly's hair was matted with blood to the point that McBride said she first took her to be a redhead. Her nose was crushed beyond recognition. What McBride first took to be a laceration to Pressly's neck was actually her dislocated jaw, which had collapsed down onto her throat.

Given the chance to cross-examine McBride and Jackson, defense attorneys for defendant Curtis Vance gave the impression of grasping at straws, with attorney Katherine Streett seizing on the fact that McBride is a Doctor of Osteopathy, not an M.D., and questioning Jackson over the fact that she couldn't remember if she'd used one swab or two to collect evidence from Pressly's body. McBride countered that the D.O. and the M.D. degrees are recognized by medical licensing bodies as "equivalent degrees."  

Testimony resumes tomorrow at 9:30 a.m.

Comments

If the only straw that lawyer has to grasp is the difference between a DO and an MD she is in some serious trouble here. the two doctors who saved my life when I had that flesh-eating bacteria a few yeasr ago that I am sure y'all are tired of hearing about were both DOs and obviously I am not dead. The dermatologists who set me on the path to death's door, however, were MDs. That isnt much of a straw to grasp, is it.

Now: This is a double post because I wanted to make sure Mr/Ms Pig in Black saw it. And as it turns out I didnt have to go back to the open line and see that picture to post it. I sincerely hope Mr/Ms Pig sees it. I was wrong, and im sorry. If you know the piginblack's email address, please direct to my apology if you dont mind.

TO THE PIG IN BLACK:

I owe you an apology. Please accept my apology for just presuming you were a troll. In my defense, if there is one, we have been beset by a huge amount of trolls here recently, and given what you said about the AT reporter not being a serious journalist..........I have had a horrible week because of a death in the family, I snap at everything, and I took you the wrong way.

I do sincerely apologize and I hope you see this. im going to post a copy on the open line too even if it means I have to look at that sad picture that makes me cry every time again. I cant go adopt an animal but just think what an impact it would have if each of us made a donation to our local humane society. This much evil is just too much for me to comprehend. A good hot corner of hell. I truly believe that, for any animal abuser.

a man in south carolina was sentenced to a jail term today for having sex with a horse repeatedly over a two-year period of time. The horse's owner said she knew something wasnt right when the horse began getting infections............But he won't be bothering horses any more and if he gets out of prison, which Im sure he will, he will be required to register as a sex offender. Now this is one prisoner who will, no doubt, know how it feels to be just what he is, a horse's ass.

Now how the hell did I get off on that detour? Anyway, Pig In Black, my sincere apologies. I was wrong and ill-informed (aint that a fancy way of saying STUPID???) to presume you were a troll. But they've been a problem here lately.

thats a pretty cool board name, too, I must say, mr/ms piginblack.

apology seen and accepted, I hope?

I have been an ICU/ER nurse for a few years now and have seen quite a few horrible auto accident victims and domestic abuse cases...but this is almost too much to read. My heart goes out to the Mom who was her daughter's first responder. I don't know where she is finding the strength to make it through this.

I have never been a death penalty supporter. I would make an exception for the cretin who did this to a young lady.

Amen Scottie...heart breaking. A Mother should never have to see her child in that condition.
My heart goes out to her.. and her Dad.

Tina, could you provide a url for the South Carolina/horse story? I wanna find out the horse's name.

Here ya go Cato...........clicky

you know what, fort smith boy, I believe I could too, and Ive always thought I wouldnt ever be able to vote for the death penalty even though I don't think it's wrong if a jury does impose it. I just couldnt see myself voting for it with the one notable case of the late ronald gene simmons.

In this case you just have to make sure you get the right cretin.

jazzy, thanks for answering cato's question. I was actually working (and watching baseball) with the Firefox page closed! If youre a yankees fan, you couldn't have picked a better time to take a break than I just did. I dont know............I dont have any feelings for the phillies good or bad except for Cliff Lee, bu the Yankees also have an Arkansas boy. sometimes I wonder if these world series games aren't sort of arranged by the network to make sure it's not over in the shortest possible time, considering how much the ads are, how high the ratings are, etc.

tina: "In this case you just have to make sure you get the right cretin."

And of course, that's a central issue. Another issue is whether life without parole isn't a worse punishment than death. And another is whether the perp is actually sane enough to stand trial. And yet another is whether the death penalty serves any purpose besides assuaging our collective blood thirst for vengeance.

There's a case in Texas where a guy was executed for setting a fire in his own home that burned his children to death. The guy happened to have a bad record and the locals set out to convict him regardless of the evidence. Some true fire experts have basically disputed the forensic conclusions that were based on terribly outdated assumptions about how fires spread. Too late for the guy they executed. Now the Governor is trying to quash any additional investigation into the case, going so far as to quickly replace three members of the state commission that was about to investigate the case. link to story @ bluename.

I've come to the conclusion that while I may feel better after someone is executed for this kind of incredibly heinous crime, it actually serves no purpose of deterrent, costs a lot more than simple incarceration for life, and, here's my bottom line, is irreversible.

All that being said, my prayers are directed toward the family and the absolute hell they must be going through.

And I still don't see how this guy can be certified sane enough to prosecute.

Sorry, forgot the link. @ bluename

A pair of attack-trained pit bulls mauling another living creature like this, I can almost understand. A human being inflicting this kind of injury, suffering, and death upon another human being, I cannot even begin to imagine.

In case anyone is wondering, these days a DO degree really is essentially equivalent to an MD degree. The educational philosophy of DO schools is a little different from MD schools, but they are "real" physicians and DO graduates are eligible for full unrestricted medical licensure and postgraduate training in all states. In some states they have a separate board, in Arkansas MD's and DO's answer to the same board (the Arkansas State Medical Board). I personally know the physician who testified & she's a good doc. I think "grasping at straws" is right if the only thing the defense could go after is the DO degree vs. MD degree thing. (MD)

Tina, I'm sorry I haven't responded sooner. Thank you for the apology. I extend my own apology to you as well. My response was overboard, though I tried to use a little humor to tone it down.

There comes a point when it becomes unnecessary to share the horrific details of another's misfortune with the public. There is nothing that anyone on this blog can write, say or do to make a difference in this case. Public information or not, Arkansas Times, please raise your standards. Stop feeding the bloodlust. Because of this single post, the sorrow that surrounds the memory of Anne has only grown... Why not give the public a chance to just remember her as a happy, beautiful woman --- and not the blood-stained tragedy on a gurney? Her mother deserves more than this. The people people reading this blog deserve more than this. This blog has so much potential, and every day it all just seems to go to waste.

We don't need these details. Anyone that would admit to needing these details is sick and should take the time to consider why such intricate pieces of a story are important to their own lives.

Let the court do its job. You're not the court, AR blog. You're just desperate for news. Do something right for a change and take this entire post down. Even the ADG didn't go this far.

A man with a low IQ, no family life, no education, no prospects, no money, no future can only lead to desparation and hopelessness. And, that will only net you violence. Sure some escape that trap. Some don't. With this much violence you have to suspect some pretty substantial child abuse as well.

Once again, you can pay me now or pay me later. Ignoring head start and child care and social services is not free. It simply saves the money for a few years to be spent on prisons and lawyers.

Coco, what you are proposing is censorship. Worse, it's censorship to provide a misguided and false cocoon of safety to readers.
Yes, the details are grisly beyond belief. That is the very reason that they be publicly available. Those of us who have become almost blase to the verbs of violence -- beaten, bludgeoned, shot, knifed, raped, murdered (feel free to add your own) -- perhaps need to be brought up short. We need to become aware again, if indeed we ever did think of it at length, of the horrific violence one person can perpetrate against another.

Doigotta,

Way to completely avoid the point of what I said. Are you thick?

My hope is that everyone on this blog is already aware enough to understand violence to a point to keep themselves from committing any type of similar act. I'm not proposing censorship. I'm proposing that this blog have a little dignity. Yet it's people like you that give this blog the free pass to release information like this that is IN NO WAY pertinent to our lives. Are you willing to say that there's no way you could've understood an event such as the Holocaust without having seen every picture and read every sick description of every violent act that was committed during that time? Is there something wrong with you? Are you one of those people that feeds on the misfortune of others?

Have some dignity.

The responsibility of the AR Times is not to exploit the tragedy of Pressly for their own gain. I know you know better. You know the difference between delivering news and delivering shock.

There is no "false cocoon of safety" -- I'm not proposing censorship so much as I am proposing that this blog move to operate with more dignity.

Blase' to the verbs of violence? Are you a gamer? Seriously.

This blog post has not contributed anything positive to our society. Level up.

Apparently I am "thick", Coco, since I have reread your earlier comment to make sure I didn't misunderstand your point. I stand on my comments. As far as I'm concerned, your attempts to protect us are misguided in the extreme.
Your argument largely makes my case: "Are you willing to say that there's no way you could've understood an event such as the Holocaust without having seen every picture and read every sick description of every violent act that was committed during that time?"
EVERY picture and EVERY sick description? No. But without SOME pictures -- and no, I have no interest in seeing the Pressly crime photos -- and SOME description, far too many of us are inclined to downplay those horrors. Still are, after 65 years.
You can't protect Anne Pressly's mother, the rest of her family, or her friends. The horror has been committed. But perhaps an awareness heightened by the details of the crime can protect those among us for whom those words denoting violence no longer indicate more than mere words.
Now I'm not sure what you mean by "gamer" so you'll have to enlighten me.

Rather than waste any more of my time with you, I've just decided you're an idiot. You're the kind of person that feeds on the tragedies of others. Enough said. You're also the kind of person that can't be enlightened. You're too set in your ways.

If Anne were your daughter, wife, sister, friend -- anything, then you wouldn't be advocating on behalf of such private details being sent out into the world. There's no place for that on this blog. It's tasteless. I can see the argument that you're making. It makes sense. It's just weak... and a poor excuse to feed on someone's misfortune.

Was the fact that she was murdered in her own home not enough for you? I can't believe I share this planet with people that have such a limited mental capacity. Why don't you go rent a horror movie and get your fix that way? Leave her and everyone else who has ever fallen victim to a crime out of it.

It's this 24-hour intrusive knowledge that desensitizes people. Maybe you overlooked that in your brilliant explanation as to why knowing the details of her death would prove "helpful" to us all. YOU are the exact type of person whose mind is so far gone from being inundated with all of this constant media and instant access to information that should remain private. It's your heart and conscious that's been eroded.

Don't come back at me with some bs statement indicating that I would prefer for all people to be sheltered from the truth. There's a HUGE difference between the truth and information that is unnecessary for you to have. If you aren't part of the LRPD or anyone else tied in with this case THAT MATTERS, then piss off. You're a nosey, blog-trolling, bored curmudgeon. At this point, reasoning with you is useless. You know it. I know it. Stop being lame.

If you want to know what a gamer is, google it. Surely you've discovered what that is by now... You know, whilst trolling the 'net.

Coco, I would stay the hell out of this conversation, but you used the magic word so I'm going to say it: Quit coming on this board and insulting another poster by calling them thick, but then going to the extreme and calling them an idiot.

You obviously clicked on this post yourself. Why? Did you want to read the grisly details too? Did you want to see just how far this media might go with the story? Did you click onto it simply to see who else has commented? Did you click onto it so you could read it and then make your inane comments about what should and shouldn't be covered.

It's pretty plain as day that graphic details follow the jump. It says so. You don't have to read them. No one is being forced to click on the extended version. If they do, it is there business. And, all that said, you and Diogotta have your own business so I'll move along now with one last request: cool your jets, or take your sanctimonious babble to another board.

Sorry for the misspellings and hitting post before reading back over it. Yes, "there" should have been "their." And there should be a question mark at the end of the second paragraph.
I guess I'm an idiot too.

But well done, Arkansas Times. Continue to report the news the way it should be reported.

Coco and Doigotta, be careful that you're not taking out your sorrow and frustration on each other. This article would freak anybody out, so keep your disagreements calm and free of name-calling and make sure the source of your energy isn't the horrors of the emergency room. The debate you're having is worthwhile, but deserves to be done respectfully and calmly.

Wow. Another tool joins the gang. You're another example of what I'm talking about.

In case you didn't notice, the entire story was posted on the front page. It wasn't hidden. You don't have a choice but to see it, moron. There wasn't an extended version when I saw it. There still isn't. So, you can put your foot in your mouth whenever you want.

I'm free to post whatever I feel on the comments page - ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE ENTIRE STORY WAS ON THE FRONT PAGE FOR EVERYONE IN THE FREE WORLD TO READ. I never solicited any lip from you or the other person, but you trolls sure come out of the woodwork to protect your family.

So, think before you speak. And yes, spellcheck while you're at it. You have no credibility anymore. Spell check fail.

I can't speak for Doigotta, but as for me, I never needed your assistance. Especially when your assistance only further proved my point.

Yes, AR Times -- Keep doing the terrible job you've been doing for so long. Way to take something that could have a lot of potential and ruin it.

And Colter, I agree with you. Just know that I've already considered that... That most definitely plays into this situation a bit. For what it's worth, though, I've had a problem with the reporting on this blog for a while. I get so disappointed with it. There was once a day when this blog was worth-while... Now it's a soapbox for temper-tantrums.

Thank you for being a voice of reason. Reason is rare on this blog.

"Now it's a soapbox for temper-tantrums."
Well, you got that one right. One point you may have missed: Most of us usually -- usually, I say -- agree to disagree.

Sure Coco, you're free to say what you want about the story, but you didn't HAVE to read beyond the warning about "Graphic Descriptions to Follow". Anyone that did probably didn't learn much more than they heard on the news or through the grapevine following Anne's attack and death. And to say that the ADG didn't go as far as to give the "grisly details" doesn't mean much. They don't even mention in accident reports where there was a fatality whether or not someone was wearing a seat belt.

Any news organization has the right to report the facts. If the facts are a little too much for you to handle, you can stop reading the story, stop reading anything from that news organization, stop watching the television network that doesn't cover things to suit you, etc. You can boycott them and complain to them about it (use the email address they provide), but don't suddenly show up on the blog and start calling people names because they weren't as offended as you obviously were.

I'm sure Anne's mother would rather not have the details of her daughter's death made public, but unfortunately if she wants justice, they will be. I doubt that the facts will cause her any more pain than she has already gone through the past year because the memory of finding her daughter will never leave her.

Doigotta, I was finished with you earlier. Still the same status. You can't correct ignorance. You have no idea how to agree to disagree. If someone clearly doesn't agree with you, then that does them in with you.

NVR, if you refer to my initial post you will see that the point I was trying to make is that it was absolutely unnecessary for the blog to share those details. That's all. They just didn't serve a purpose. You don't need that information. I don't need that information. No one does. And no, I'm pretty positive that the "grapevine" had nothing to say about "tearing" and other related injuries. We knew she was beaten. I think those are grounds to assume that things were really bad. We knew what actually caused her to pass. Why do you need the specifics? Don't be like the rest of these people.

I see the point you're making. You're just not seeing mine. I'm offering that there simply was no point to post those facts. Nothing productive could come of it. I find it funny that you would advocate on behalf of people here that disagree with me for disagreeing with the content of this site. Isn't what the comments are for? Yes.

I can say whatever I want to anyone on this blog in the same manner that you can. The "justice" regarding Anne's situation has nothing to do with blog. Don't fill your head up with so much hot air. Are you saying it's okay to cause the mother more grief? That's how your reasoning reads. I hope that's not what you're saying.

The argument is simple. This blog is supposed to be THE political blog in this state. It has so much potential, and yet it is squandered on feeding the bloodlust of its readers. Why can't it be more classy? Why can't it raise its own standards and say "hey, we don't have to go that low. That person was a member of our community. A good person. Let's support remembering her in a better light."

Yes, sure, it's all fact. It's information. It's out there. Especially now. I'm just asking why did it had to leave the courtroom and end up on this particular blog. It's like the news is more valuable than she was.

No one on this blog is going to take the information regarding her case and write some breakthrough report that shifts the tide of the trial or something grand and storybook like that... It's all a joke to you people. You hide behind your 1st amendment arguments, "support" and stroke each other. Whatever.

Not saying much about the ADG? My point exactly. This blog has somehow managed to go lower than them. Wow. Thanks for further proving my point.

You're just another tool in the bag.

I do not plan to further respond to this thread. I've got other things to do. You people disgust me.

Have fun, you vultures... waiting for the next tragedy to get off on.


Coco,

Just sat down to read the blog and was surprised this thread from last night had so many new posts...so I clicked on it and read with interest.

I thought you made some excellent points early on and was somewhat compelled by your argument. I didn't disagree when you later said, "The argument is simple. This blog is supposed to be THE political blog in this state. It has so much potential, and yet it is squandered on feeding the bloodlust of its readers. Why can't it be more classy?''

You, Coco, were anything but "classy'' on this thread. Doigotta is probably one of the more even-handed, fair posters on this blog and you attack her with these terms: "thick", "ignorant", "a gamer" and an "idiot". Someone else chimed in and they're labeled a "tool.''

You end with, "You people disgust me. Have fun, you vultures... waiting for the next tragedy to get off on.''

You had so much going for you with very salient points but they're all but forgotten because of your regrettable delivery. Please take a few Dale Carnegie classes and come back.

People are bound to disagree with you, Coco. Believe me, I know.

You have a lot to offer but you really need to work on those rough edges.

Just trying to help,

Sistertoldja


Sis,

I'm breaking my own stand on not writing back on this post because of what you said. I want you to know that I get what you're saying. I've read your postings on this blog for a while now, and I've always found you to be one of the more sensible people to post their thoughts to a lot of the crap that comes around on this blog. I've seen you experience disagreements with others. I've seen how you've handled it. Above-average, to be sure.

Bottom line: I don't regret anything I've said. I do, however, acknowledge that I made a choice to undercut my own arguments by telling some of these people just how I felt about them via their perspective on this issue. Undercuts, that is, through words to people that in my opinion only further prove my overall, underlying point.

Haven't you noticed lately the type of news that's been posted on here? The current has definitely changed. I've been reading this blog for quite a while now, and almost all of the news on here is delivered with a slant. The information is tainted before it arrives. You have to sort through the writing just to get the news. This blog should be more than that. The information regarding Pressly was really of little importance to all of us. Perhaps the person responsible for posting said article should take up the Carnegie courses you recommended.

I asked for classiness, yet didn't serve up the same... mostly because asking for classiness from anyone who would agree with the posting of these details was a worthless endeavor to begin with. All low blows at others aside, I still stand by my reasoning. What's really in need here are some reading comprehension courses for a lot of these bloggers. They're all so quick to defend each other... to protect their little bubbles.

I referred to NVR as a "tool" because that person didn't even take the time to read what I said. They were too busy jumping to conclusions and making the most base arguments would could make in a situation like this. The entire point I was trying to make is that the news that was posted in this blog went beyond news -- It was intrusive. It was humiliating. It wasn't right or helpful. And yet look at how people stepped up to defend the lack of classiness of this blog.

I'm not upset at you for your note. It's appreciated. I just absolutely refuse to be pigeon-holed as the troublemaker when the people writing back to me were no better in their behavior than I was.

I'll hang on to my rough edges for now. The days of tolerating societal compliance ended for me long ago. People need to wake up, level up, and call out wrong doing where it counts.

I would like to let you know, though, that I usually am a lot more mellow when it comes to my postings here. This issue just pushed me over the top. I just can't understand how people can make a good argument for why this article was okay...

Please tell me this: What makes posting this blog any different in action than those nurses/docs, etc. who were recently prosecuted for looking into Pressly's medical files? I mean, I understand by law that they weren't supposed to do so, and yes, I'm sure they saw more than we read. I get that. But in terms of action? I'm willing to learn here. Throw back your ideas if you're still around.

And come on, admit it, you know people sit around like vultures on this blog... tragedy after tragedy... I've heard so many people say that this is the very reason why they don't even bother participating on this blog. That makes me sad. They're really smart and would have great words to share.

Methinks you may not know what a gamer is. ---> It's actually not offensive. By the response I got, I could see that the people responding to these posts weren't necessarily young (as in young enough to be responsive to the term). Nothing wrong with that, though. Always helpful to know your audience.

Thanks.

I plan on being here for a while. I will always say what I think. And hopefully, for the sake of getting along with others, I can place some frill around my rough edges. Just know that I'm absolutely over tolerating stupid.


Coco,

I'm glad you came back because your arguments are super persuasive and have gotten me to think.

This point you made stands out as the best in my mind..."What makes posting this blog any different in action than those nurses/docs, etc. who were recently prosecuted for looking into Pressly's medical files?''

I never thought about it, but you're exactly right. It is being intrusive (almost voyeuristic) and has no place in a respected, public forum.

I'm also glad you took my previous post in the spirit it was intended. I wasn't trying to be an ass, I just thought your points were getting lost in all the sniping. The last post was virtually venom-free and I was persuaded.

But again, I'm glad you returned and I think we're on the same page about this particular issue. I was initially passive on the topic until you chimed in.

Come back more often. We need folks like you.


Noted. I'll be seeing you in the threads... Thank you.

Has anyone suggested here that there is a possibility of jury nullification in this case? I haven't seen it. I see no likelihood of acquital unless the defense has some wild card up its sleve.

My point has been that the prosecution took a huge risk by including 4 black women on the jury given the history of what has happened in other cases involving white female victims and black defendants, most notably the O.J. Simpson case. But I don't see the risk as jury nullification, I see the risk as being a hung jury, or inability to impose the death penalty, which is a goal of the prosecution.

Coco--I beg to differ. I did read what you said carefully and gave you my opinion of it. I just didn't agree with your idea of what was appropriate to post and how you chose to deal with it. I didn't jump in just to advocate for others on the blog that disagree with you. I am a long term opponent of censorship and certainly defend your right to express an opinion as well as i defend mine. Your opinion was that the AT Blog went too far. My opinion was that they were just reporting the facts and had a right to do so. Each of us had the option to read them or not.

I also differ with you on the idea that the AT Blog posting information that was disclosed in court testimony is the same as breaking HIPAA laws and prying into a person's medical records. It might be tasteless as you suggest but certainly not illegal.

To echo what sister said--your point lost a lot of credibility when you chose to call everyone "tools" or "idiots" etc.

Yes, this was originally a "political" blog, but it has evolved over time to cover local news as well as politics. I have posted here in the past my concern about the personal attacks and name calling. I think we can have conversations with differing viewpoints without resorting to calling each other names.

NVR,

At least you finally admit that the posting was tasteless. That's all I asked.

I understand your need to protect the 1st amendment more than you could ever know.

What I'm saying, though, links to a particular argument that may never have an answer -- and that has to do with limitations on the 1st Amendment when it brings harm to another individual. Living or not. Thus begging the question of whether or not the deceased has rights when one can claim that they live on through their relatives.

Do you not remember the jury selection issue this case faced? Can you not bring yourself to advocate on behalf of the right to privacy for another individual who lost her life due to the actions of another who just happens to be the product of a society where basic morals and values are set aside in the face of numerous threats to civil suits just so people -- perhaps people like you -- can have their say that ultimately leads to nothing? The defense is making a case for the convicted that his shortcomings are to blame on society. Read the articles.

Step up for the long-term work. It's called "change over time." It's called being the change you wish to see in this world. Stop taking advantage of what was given to you, and start taking responsibility for the great power it gives you.

Morals and values are determined by societies -- albeit subjectively and with considerable variances across the board -- but by society none the less, and there's not one society that the American people agrees with (en masse) that plays host to a value system which, in turn, benefits from playing off of the disparities and misfortune of others. So, I will continue to disagree with you. I will never allow myself to go so far as to advocate on behalf of anyone that would so much as dare to not uphold my right to privacy - even in death - by claiming it's their 1st Amendment right to spread the more graphic and troubling details of any tragedy that may affect me. You will never catch me sweeping any sort of misguided quest for knowledge under some sort of constitutionally protected rug of rights. This blog goes too far and you know it.

Don't let your lackadaisical approach to the 1st Amendment become part of the scapegoat under which people literally get away with murder.

Again, I can say whatever I want here. How's that for exercising the 1st Amendment? And you can do the same. YOU can defend yourself. I'm not spreading private information about you. Everything I know about you has been deduced from what you've claimed to believe as indicated by your public banter. Anne Pressly doesn't get to defend herself. Step up for a member of your human family. Take a minute to consider the bigger picture. You people are lucky that someone has taken the time to call you out for your shenanigans. Sure, my snipes via the use of the words "idiot" and "tool" downplayed the sense I made through what I said to you and many others, but it is in no way anywhere near as horrible an offense as what you are so ardently defending.

Fortune favors the bold. Get with it.

That is where I disagree. You basically think that one or two graphic sentences describing Anne's injuries printed on a news blog is a "horrible offense". I do not. Everyone has a different idea of what is offensive in art, literature, on TV, in the news etc. Obviously you are offended more easily than I am and you have a right to say you were offended. But as Doigotta said early on --"As far as I'm concerned, your attempts to protect us are misguided in the extreme".

I think you must be a friend of Anne or her family and you are trying to protect yourself. The most heinous offense was committed against Anne, her family, her friends and the community that watched her on TV and thought of her as part of the Arkansas family when she was murdered so brutally. I am not defending that. Nor am I arguing against the idea that everyone has a right to privacy. Hovwever, the court record is public and the reporters have a right to report the proceedings in however much detail they chose. Your chose to read them as did many other who read this blog. If you dont' like the way a news outlet reports the news, don't read it or don't watch it etc.

So now that I've repeated the same idea over and over since I first posted here in response to your reaction and the others who felt the same as I did, I am going to stop defending what you find indefensible. I think you are well educated and well spoken and have something to offer this blog. I hope you continue to post occasionally and offer your viewpoint. You may find that we agree on more than we disagree on. I always try to keep my posts civil and hope you will do the same.

It is absolutely repugnant that a blog about a horrible tragedy becomes an extended pissing match between blog readers. This is a recurrent phenomenon across this site. Do you children have no sense of discretion?

There is never any value in the comments left by blog readers. The Arkansas Times should lock the gate to this playground and end the ability for readers to leave comments on all articles.

Let me get this straight, Heights Observer...you're a poster posting that there should be no more posting.

Is that like a drunk drinking to promote sobriety? Curious minds want to know.

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