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    Sue Cowan Morris won the battle to equalize pay of black and white teachers. It cost her her job.
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Re: “Separate and unequal

Here is a great one by Professor John McWhorter:

LOSING THE RACE: Self-Sabotage in Black America

"Berkeley linguistics professor John McWhorter, born at the dawn of the post-Civil Rights era, spent years trying to make sense of this question. Now he dares to say the unsayable: racism's ugliest legacy is the disease of defeatism that has infected black America. Losing the Race explores the three main components of this cultural virus: the cults of victimology, separatism, and anti-intellectualism that are making blacks their own worst enemies in the struggle for success."

Posted by blueyedsoul on 06/19/2015 at 7:40 AM

Re: “Separate and unequal

Oh. Since we're responding with book references instead of answers... I can highly recommend some without the 'blame America' slant of the victim mentality:

"WHITE GUILT: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era"
by Shelby Steele

"Liberty Versus the Tyranny of Socialism"
By Walter Williams

Posted by blueyedsoul on 06/19/2015 at 7:37 AM

Re: “Separate and unequal

Gee, where do I start?

First, you've committed the fallacy of answering my question with a question. In a rational dialogue both parties need to answer questions. Not just one. I've answered yours and I've asked you one. Please try to answer it. Please document "Christian principles" which allowed slavery to flourish.

You know you can't. It was not "Christian principles" that justified slavery but men who VIOLATED Christian principles. The founding principles of our nation were used to argue AGAINST slavery. Not for it. Otherwise document that as well.

Your second error is to conflate the actions of a nation with the principles of it's prevailing religion or it's founding. Those are two separate things. A nation can violate its founding principles and those of it's predominant religion. Would you argue that Germany was founded on Nazism? Or was that an exception to German history? Would you argue that all Muslims are terrorists? Or is it possible that some who claim Islam are perverting that religion?

Once again your thinking is bigoted. You are trying to judge "whites" or "America" based on the actions of slavery supporters. As I've explained before, this bigotry is no better than describing all blacks as criminals based on the crimes of some. It was white American Christians who opposed slavery, died fighting slavery and eventually abolished it. Do you deny this?

America violated the principles upon which it was founded. So argued Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. So argues historians at Cornell University in the quote I previously posted. But those very principles resulted in America seeking to make it right.

Did America make mistakes? You bet. Have we always lived out the religion and the principles upon which we were founded? Hardly. Those wrongs were not based on the founding principles. They were violations of them. Proof that they were violations is demonstrated in that those very principles were used to abolish slavery and legislate civil rights. What other nation has put forth more efforts to right it's historical wrongs? Do tell. Those efforts are because of our founding principles.

"The greatness of America lies not in being more enlightened than any other nation, but rather in her ability to repair her faults."
-Alexis de Tocqueville

Posted by blueyedsoul on 06/18/2015 at 3:37 PM

Re: “Separate and unequal

author,
The Bible is referenced in the Constitution 12x more than any other document. Have you ever compared the founders Christian sources/quotes to their Enlightenment sources?? Really? Please.

And you missed my previous historical evidence that The Enlightenment itself was fostered by the Reformation, not the other way around. So it isn't either/or. The founders were influenced by both. But protestantism was the initial, underlying influence.

Also, please *document* from authoritative sources the "Christian principles" that caused the slave trade to flourish. I'll wait.

Posted by blueyedsoul on 06/18/2015 at 11:56 AM

Re: “Separate and unequal

"Let's get the story on the Fourteenth Amendment straight: is its insistence on equality under the law a part of the noble ideals of the Protestant Reformation (I think you really mean the more secular scientific Enlightenment?) or socialist ideology? Maybe both?"

Your reading of history again sounds scant and inaccurate. Even secular historians agree that The Enlightenment itself was spawned by deeply Christian thinkers like Thomas Aquinas and Roger Bacon. This isn't really debated. There is certainly no evidence of "secularism" at its historical roots. Martin Luther's 95 theses, considered the axis of the Reformation, were posted in 1517 long before The Enlightenment's beginning in the late 17th century. So if anything, the Protestant Reformation informed the Enlightenment, not the other way around.

There is broad consensus that the Fourteenth Amendment and abolition in general was rooted in and championed by evangelical protestants. The idea that socialism had anything to do with it can only come from a misinformed leftist narrative.

It is contradicted by historical manuscripts from places like the library at Cornell University:

"In the 1830s, American abolitionists, led by Evangelical Protestants, gained momentum in their battle to end slavery. Abolitionists believed that slavery was a national sin, and that it was the moral obligation of every American to help eradicate it from the American landscape..."

And it was Christian thought espoused by the Founders that eventually led to abolition:

"But by the mid-nineteenth century, the ideological contradictions between a national defense of slavery on American soil on the one hand, and the universal freedoms espoused in the Declaration of Independence on the other hand, had created a deep moral schism in the national culture. During the thirty years leading up to the Civil War, anti-slavery organizations proliferated, and became increasingly effective in their methods of resistance. As the century progressed, branches of the abolitionist movement became more radical, calling for the immediate end of slavery. Public opinion varied widely, and different branches of the movement disagreed on how to achieve their aims. But abolitionists found enough strength in their commonalities—a belief in individual liberty and a strong Protestant evangelical faith—to move their agenda forward."

http://rmc.library.cornell.edu/abolitionism/abolitionists.htm

Abolition of slavery eventually happened because of America's founding Christian principles. Not in spite of them.

Posted by blueyedsoul on 06/18/2015 at 9:21 AM

Re: “Separate and unequal

author,
You may want to read a broad sampling of history instead of only the revisionist versions of the Left. It was the very principles of the Protestant Reformation that eventually caused slavery to be abolished in Europe and the U.S. And the reason the northern states never legalized slavery in the first place. It was those "white, sober minded, capitalist, Christian entrepreneurs" that fought the Civil War and passed civil rights laws, allowing black men to vote as far back as 1869. You may have missed that in your narrow version of history. It's called the Fifteenth Amendment to the Constitution.

Your stereotyping of whites based on white slaveowners is no better than saying all blacks are criminals because of the actions of a few. Get off of your soapbox and fix your own bigotry before preaching to others.

Posted by blueyedsoul on 06/17/2015 at 5:23 PM

Re: “Separate and unequal

LOL @ Ed Tingstrom's last comment. Have you checked the calendar bro? It isn't 1960.

Questions for you Ed:

1. To what nation do millions of people of color risk their lives to get into every year because of the opportunities afforded minorities? Think hard.
2. Which nation is home to the most wealthy and free group of blacks in the world? You may need to Google it.
3. When was the first civil rights legislation for blacks signed by the U.S. (all white) congress? Hint: It was before the 1900's.
4. What military event, initiated by a white, Republican president took place from 1860-1864 causing more bloodshed than all American wars combined and resulted in the Emancipation Proclamation?
5. True or False: One day America could actually make such racial progress that it will elect a black president. TWICE.

I know it's a shocker... but we have made a few advances in race relations and civil rights...in spite of leftist race baiters who wish to keep us divided along racial lines for political gain. And aided by myopic "news" publications that puts 70 year old stories on their front cover to keep the strife fresh.

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Posted by blueyedsoul on 06/17/2015 at 5:04 PM

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