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Re: “Ronnie Floyd and the Gay Menace

Outlier notes: "Arkansas is first of the 50 states in the number of people on third marriages.">>

That's right. And a footnote in support:

"Conservative Christians divorce more"

"Divorce is more common among conservative Christians and young people, according to a recent study.

University of Iowa sociology professor Jennifer Glass presented her study on skyrocketing divorce rates in regions highly populated with conservative Christians..."

http://www.dailytexanonline.com/content/co…

The lowest divorce rate? Massachusetts, the first state to legalize gay marriage.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/01/l…

4 likes, 4 dislikes
Posted by Dardedar on 03/27/2011 at 3:03 PM

Re: “Ronnie Floyd and the Gay Menace

Conservatives lost this battle years ago and it is all over except for the hand wringing. I am so happy to be living in the time when I get to see yet another social issue where the bigots will be shown to be morally wrong, once again. In 20 years, this sort of hatred and intolerance will be viewed as being as silly as if one where to suggest today that certain categories of people should have to drink at a different water fountain or be banned from certain establishments. It's the same pile of nonsense.

The children are the future, and they don't care. They view the category of being gay as the equivalent of being left-handed. Susan says she "should not have to tolerate the "gay" lifestyle," but she doesn't seem to have any complaints about the left-handed. I wonder why. Neither one is any of her business.

Support for gay marriage is proceeding at the rate of 1.5%, per year, in each state. Right now it is crossing the 50% mark and this trend will proceed into the future. The conservatives and their intolerance or people who are simply different then them, will lose, yet again, as it alway has in the past.

See the chart here showing the trend here:

http://fayfreethinkers.com/forums/viewtopi…

State by state is here:

http://fayfreethinkers.com/forums/viewtopi…

8 likes, 6 dislikes
Posted by Dardedar on 03/27/2011 at 2:58 PM

Re: “Bible study approved by House

"Genesis is filled with Creation myths...">>

I like Robert Ingersoll's response to this:

"You will find by reading the second chapter that God tried to palm off on Adam a beast as his helpmeet... God caused all the animals to walk before Adam in order that he might name them. And the animals came like a managerie into town, and as Adam looked at all the crawlers, jumpers and creepers, this God stood by to see what he would call them. After this procession passed, it was pathetically remarked, "Yet was there not found any helpmeet for Adam." Adam didn't see anything that he could fancy. And I am glad he didn't. If he had, there would not have been a free-thinker in this world; we should have all died orthodox. And finding Adam was so particular, God had to make him a helpmeet, and having used up the nothing he was compelled to take part of the man to make the woman with, and he took from the man a rib... And then imagine a God with a bone in his hand, and about to start a woman, trying to make up his mind whether to make a blonde or a brunette.

Is there an intelligent man or woman in the world who now believes the Garden of Eden story? If you find any man who believes it, strike his forehead and you will hear an echo. Something is for rent." --Ingersoll, Mistakes of Moses, (1879 ed.)

Posted by Dardedar on 03/25/2011 at 5:44 PM

Re: “Altes' Bible bill to be changed

TAP said: " Is it too difficult to put "make no law" together with "establishment of religion" and come out with "separation?">>

Not too difficult at all. After all, Madison did. I'll give three examples:

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MARCH 2, 1819
"The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State."

Source:
Letter to Robert Walsh from James Madison. March 2, 1819 Letters and Other Writings of James Madison, in Four Volumes, Published by Order of Congress. Vol. III, J. B. Lippincott & Co. Philadelphia, (1865), pp 121-126. James Madison on Religious Liberty, Robert S.Alley, Prometheus Books, Buffalo, N.Y. (1985) pp 82-83)

1817-1833
"Strongly guarded as is the separation between religion and Gov't in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents' already furnished in their short history. . . .

Source:
Madison's Detached Memoranda. This document was discovered in 1946 among the papers of William Cabell Rives, a biographer of Madison. Scholars date these observations in Madison's hand sometime between 1817 and 1832. The entire document was published by Elizabeth Fleet in the William and Mary Quarterly of October 1946.

JULY 10, 1822
"Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together . . .

Source:
Letter to Edward Livingston from James Madison, July 10, 1822. Letters and Other writings of James Madison, in Four Volumes, Published by Order of Congress. VOL. III, J. B. Lippincott & Co. Philadelphia, (1865), pp 273-276. James Madison on Religious Liberty, Robert S.Alley, Prometheus Books, Buffalo, N.Y. (1985) pp 82-83.

Etc.

Posted by Dardedar on 03/10/2011 at 8:12 PM

Re: “Koch lobbyist Teresa Oelke: hypocrite of the day

ATP: "O was batting ~33% on his promises.">>

DAR
Yes, but he still has six years to go...

And your math is a bit off. With:

134 kept
41 done with compromise
220 in the works

He is well on the way to over 80%. Maybe when he is finished with Bush's depression 2.0, he'll really pick up speed. Love that man!

Posted by Dardedar on 03/08/2011 at 10:57 PM

Re: “Koch lobbyist Teresa Oelke: hypocrite of the day

ATP asks: "How's Obama doing with your agenda?">>

DAR
See a list of 127 examples of specific promises he has kept here:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/pr…

So to answer your question, not bad.

Posted by Dardedar on 03/08/2011 at 8:18 PM

Re: “A modest proposal

JAKE: ">>Big libs and their big lib jokes. No one advocates reducing tax rates for the rich less than the lower income brackets.">

DAR
Elwood's exactly right. And to prove his point Buffet puts his money where his mouth is, note:

"I’ll bet a million dollars against any member of the Forbes 400 who challenges me that the average (federal tax rate including income and payroll taxes) for the Forbes 400 will be less than the average of their receptionists.

So far, no-one has taken him up on this bet."

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008…

Posted by Dardedar on 10/13/2010 at 7:28 PM

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